So we can put celebrities in prison for rape?
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo…
If only every rapist and abuser was punished too.
Xenu can be worshipped from prison, right? Have fun, see you in 2056
Now do Trump!
Finally so good fucking food
Prison food?
everybody likes that
Other than a bunch of his co-stars on that 70s show.
The actress that played Kitty Foreman was so impressed that he made the other teenaged stars make a pact to stay away from weed that she’s willing to forgive a little rape. Which also checks out for the type of person he seems to be: very vocally “good” but a real piece of shit behind closed doors. It’s all PR.
The actor that played Red Foreman thinks someone taking a leadership role amongst the group should forgive a bit of rape. Makes me wonder if it was more of a fucked up dynamic because that also fits the type that I’ve seen, but there was also a lot of money and a contract keeping them together, which gives that type power.
Though Jackie and Micheal (can’t remember what the rest of them called him) also thought his rape wasn’t that bad.
I can’t find any evidence that Topher Grace (Eric), Laura Prepon (Donna), or Wilmer Valderrama (Fez) ever supported him after the allegations came out. I wonder if they appreciated his “leadership” as much as the old ones did or started to see through him while they were still filming the show.
ery vocally “good” but a real piece of shit behind closed doors
They are called narcissist and sociopaths. Who use ‘morals’ to hide their immorality.
Either way, they are hilarious when they try to virtue signal to you using something you don’t even see as a virtue. Religion is a pretty common one (though he’s scientologist, which hits a bit differently and is probably why he depended on the next one…), along with support following various controversial laws (like “weed is illegal thus bad” in this case).
there is a whole IMDB website of actors who still support Masterson. Kutcher and Kunis top of that list. They never mention any victim.
Well that’s disappointing. No more from 70s show but Tara from walking dead and Francis from Malcolm in the Middle are on that list (and have the same last name, siblings/cousins?, plus another one that was on 40 year old virgin).
Don’t really recognise anyone else from the list, though not really surprised he has the support of a producer from 2 and a half men.
They are siblings yeah
Wasn’t Donna dating him for a while and she was in the same cult he was?
All I know was that I wasn’t able to find any public statements she made in support of him regarding the rape charges or sentencing.
But I did find information saying she quietly left scientology a while ago (and later talked about it) and that she dated Chris Masterson (who played Francis on Malcolm in the Middle and is on that IMDB list of Danny supporters), not Danny, though Danny did introduce her to Scientology.
Excuse my surprise here. I know nothing about this case. I never saw the tv show and don’t know this person. But, I am so surprised this rich famous guy gets 30 years when my entire 50 plus year life has been constantly peppered with stories of randos getting community service and probation for raping women, and even children. More than one of them have recieved supreme court appointments. What percent of convicted rapists get sentenced to 30 years or more in the USA? I asked AI and it claims less than 4%. Was he not in the right frat or something? Like, remember Brock the fratboy who raped an unconcious woman in a dumpster enclosure and got let off? I don’t understand what goes on, and I don’t trust it. That symbol of blind justice has a terrible conotation in this context.
I’m perhaps being too edgy, forgive me. But, you must see that even if this guy deserves 30 years, which I am not disputing. How is there such a wild variance in American “Justice” ? Its just wild to me.
Excuse me but you should never mention brock turner without the asshole judge Aaron perskey who let him off with the “boys will be boys” rhetoric. Or Dan Turner his gross dad who wrote the letter about how “his son’s future is ruined”.
These are the poster children of empowered toxic masculinity.
Anyone ever need a perfect example of unchecked white male privilege just need to look at these three fuckwits.
Brock Allen Turner goes by “Allen Turner”, just in case anyone wanted to know.
Alan Turner, the rapist? The Stanford swimmer who raped someone? That Alan?
I’ve just checked and in Spain maximum jail time for rape with aggravating circumstances is 15 years. People usually get ~20 years for manslaughter. He was found guilty of 2 counts of rape and got 30 years to life. I’m as baffled as you are.
There were 4 victims, including his wife. All 4 were members of Scientology and kicked out.
The sentence was about the rapes, but also the rape culture in Scientology.
There were 4 victims, including his wife.
So you think that if someone is accused of 10 murders but the jury find him guilty only of one he should still be convicted like he committed 10?
If I had to guess, it’s because he either didn’t have enough money to bribe anyone (he wasn’t rich enough, this seems likely since it says his net worth is only 8 million), or he got unlucky with a judge that just isn’t corrupt. It may be a combination of both.
he got unlucky with a judge that just isn’t corrupt.
He had two jury trials.
if you want a good read, check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Masterson#Interference_by_the_Church_of_Scientology
The church couldn’t pull it off and he is only worth about 4 mil, not enough to get out of it.
I’m surprised as well given that the first jury hung on all charges and these were older cases from 2001 and 2003.
Based on the CA statute it looks like he got the max for two rapes with bodily injury. Also potentially a gun was involved in one incident, and there was a pattern of other assaults not part of the case.
Sorry I don’t have much detail beyond that, tried to look it up quickly.
a few years ago, he gained more noteriety than he should he was intially charge, the moment he was found guilty ASTHON kutcher and milas kunis immediately went on camera to VOUCH for him.
That’s not why he was convicted as a famous rich white guy, that was just some lifelong friends standing by him. They didn’t deny his guilt, they just asked for leniency for their friend, which was rejected.
He was found guilty because the judge didn’t let it be about his celebrity, OR his membership in Scientology. He was treated like any other citizen accused of multiple rapes. That’s how it should be for every citizen.
But it isn’t, that’s the point.
He must not have had any dirt on anyone powerful. A lot of people who were going to Epstein’s Island or his parties weren’t necessarily pedophiles. They just wanted to be part of his circle enough to not not care about the rape. They wanted to be trusted by his circle and the method of binding those people together was sharing in crimes and have blackmail on each other. I’m guessing that Masterson never got into one of those circles, so no one powerful ever made any phone calls to the investigators or judge on his behalf.
Another reminder that aside from Topher Grace, the rest of the cast all stood behind Danny when the rape allegations first came out.
They wrote letters for his trial
Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher stood by him after he was convicted.
Lacey Chabert would never have done that.
and like cowards fled to EUROPE to avoid controversy in the states. it was right to “shit” on MEG in family guy. its a thing for rich white people facing racism, rape, Molestation,etc/ flee to a country that is not aware of the drama back in the states. Also japan is another favorite spot.
also funny that not long after ellen degeneres fled to europe after diddy was charged, hmm looks like she could be involved too.
I wouldn’t be surprised, she’s a horrible person
Ashton is a pedo are you surprised
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his org also hurts sex workers more than it helps victims.
Wait what? Honestly i did not keep up with any of the cast
Waiting for the Olsen twins and Hilary Duff to turn 18. Now for what it’s worth, Eminem said the same in a song.
https://x.com/MrPopOfficial/status/1700561885613973605
On “The Rosie O’Donnell Show” in 2002, Kutcher himself would admit, “She was 14 when we started the show. I was, like, 19, right? And they’re like, ‘Okay, you guys are going to be making out in this scene,’ and I’m thinking, like, ‘Wait, this is slightly illegal, right?’” Despite these reservations, Kutcher said that he had attempted to “French kiss” Kunis during the scene
In an episode of “Hot Ones” from 2019, Kutcher was asked to share anything he could about the famous parties Diddy threw. Kutcher said, “I’ve got a lot I can’t tell,”
Source:
https://www.thelist.com/1699466/ashton-kutcher-controversial-moments/
I was actually surprised because I think he ran or founded the non-profit Thorn and I was a donor … shame …
Do you think they all knew that he’s a rapist? Seems speculative
Church of Scientology was involved here.
I swear people online never actually think about anything, it’s all just knee-jerk reactionary crap.
Honestly, it is totally expected that some/most friends would stand by their friend when being accused of something, especially if they never saw anything like that. Supporting a friend being accused of something means absolutely nothing on its own, especially in the beginning. What people need to be thinking about is if/when they stopped being supportive.
For whatever reason, people seem to believe that everyone that’s a predator is making that obvious to their friends, and those friends were either in on it, or at least not opposed. Sometimes, it is the whole group, like with the recent college rape stuff… but quite often the predator is hiding that side of them both publicly and privately, even from their friends.
Not all allegations are real, it’s just as easy to falsely claim abuse as it is for an abuser to lie about doing it. One is not inherently easier to lie about. Some people abuse this to try and destroy someone’s life, especially out of spite or if they think they can get something out of it.
Given that Emily only went to the first preliminary hearing, and dropped supporting him after… it seems most likely that she never saw any of that behavior herself and was there to support a friend she thought was being falsely accused (or at least giving him the benefit of the doubt), and once there were actual facts showing the allegations were true, she stopped supporting him. Which is what you would expect from everyone not involved.
They were all in the same religion, even if not formally, and there are accounts of them intimidating witnesses to not talk. They knew. Do more research.
Amazing how the low effort responses always say shit like “do more research” instead of actually contributing to the discussion in a meaningful way.
You’re clearly referencing the Church of Scientology part. Was there something in my comment that intimated that Scientology wasn’t a factor at all? No. While it very well could be a facto, likely even, simply supporting a friend they thought could be falsely accused is also likely.
Emily hasn’t talked about the Church at all, and was last seen at a Church gala way back in 2013. Then there are the song lyrics back from her time in Dead Sara that seem to reference criticism of the Church. And the fact she identifies as queer, something the Church is very outspoken against. But of course the Church must be the only explanation, simply because it’s tangentially involved. To the point that you feel the need to assume someone talking about this online and not mentioning Scientology clearly must have no idea what’s going on, and a low effort comment is necessary.
Scientology was heavily involved, provided victims for him and helped cover it up. Your comment is longer, but I don’t see much effort.
We’re clearly talking about two completely different things here. And you seem to be ignoring that, despite me very specifically talking about the last time she was (at least publicly) directly involved with Church events being over a decade ago, lyrics that seem to criticize the Church, and her public personal identity not matching Church beliefs.
You are talking about Scientology involvement with Masterson’s actions in general. I don’t give a shit about that. That’s obvious. Stevie Wonder could see that involvement. Why would I even mention all those other things if I was talking about the Church helping Masterson, covering it up, etc.?
I only care about whether Emily is actively involved with the Church still, and whether that is why she went to the first hearing. That is what the original comment we’re responding to was talking about. And there isn’t any evidence of that. Only that she went to support (at the time) a friend she believed.
“there are accounts” isn’t convincing. Seems like pasting an article would’ve taken moments and may have been. You responded to someone who made a decent point, criticizing jumping to conclusions, as if they jumped to a wild conclusion themselves.
Their unresearched account is valid but I need to provide a link?
They said people jumped to conclusions. No one, especially you, has given any support for those conclusions.
Also thanks for the especially you part. I hope from now on every time you make a comment, you feel an urge to provide a source.
It is literally a Google search away. I’m annoyed that I have to provide links but the musings they pulled out of thin air seem to be taken as gospel.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/danny-masterson-church-scientology-sued-stalking-rape-cover-up
Also this was a good watch: https://youtu.be/ogiuctcOz-o?is=1f1XqUNHgoY0hyrN
What a shitty way to throw away a life that’s handed to you on a golden platter.
Fucking awful person.
Tell me about it. He was the most popular character in a wildly successful sitcom, and then transitioned from TV star to a successful DJ in an era where no one makes it big as a DJ anymore.
Bro was living my dream, and he had to go and fuck it all up by being a rapist. He should have listened to Conan.
I know it’s not about sex, but about power. But in his position, he almost certainly had many willing women throwing themselves at him, and he felt the need to rape people?
Like I said, it’s about power, not sex, but he also had a tonne of power. Why do this, given all that? The fuck is so broken about this fucker that all the free sex and so much career power wasn’t enough?
He was also pretty damn good in the ranch.
“To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!”
Not that Conan, asshole. 😂
We get it. You meant Conan the Librarian.Don’t you know the Dewey Decimal System?!
He should’ve fallen for the Cottingley Fairy hoax?
CROM!!!
What did Conan say?
Why are you asking people to [touch your balls]? That’s the more important question. Accidents aside, that’s the more important thing. I’ve heard about you, and you’ll be caught soon; I know you will.
https://youtu.be/JuTEjRXQ1KA (Relevant part starts at 4:48)
Clearly he misunderstood the advice. He should have continued asking
To be fair, being a rapist sometimes gets you into the top position of government
There is one example at the moment, and it was most certainly known before his election
They all are Except vance probably but the couch filed a restraining order.
That is what the platter delivers.
That’s gonna piss Xenu off.
My thetans are weeping
His presence really ruins That 70’s Show rewatches.
I didn’t like his character the first time I watched it.
The age old question, can you separate the art from the artist? Very philosophical and never an easy one.
If information wants to be free, and if buying not equaling owning means that piracy isn’t theft, then art doesn’t belong to artists anyway. Additionally, it’s facile to be too black-and-white about crime; criminals are still humans and being shit in one aspect of their lives doesn’t necessitate that we act as if they were shit in EVERY aspect of their lives. Even criminals still bleed when pricked and laugh when tickled, etc. If we reject the possibility of redemption/rehabilitation, then we might as well execute all criminals. Now, that’s not to say that we should simply forgive every criminal. But rehabilitation only works when it focuses on reminding the criminal of how they can still be useful to society.
It’s made a lot easier when the shitty artist is dead. It’s appropriate to talk about H. P. Lovecraft’s racism and xenophobia, hell it even informs understanding of his work a bit better, but buying his work doesn’t fund ongoing bad acts because he’s been dead for almost a century. If you’re going to be a terrible person, the least you can do is also be dead.
Only if the artist is no longer making money off of the art
I read a very interesting book on this topic, Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma by Claire Dederer. It doesn’t really give a general answer (arguably impossible anyway), but it was a fascinating exploration of the dilemma.
I’m probably not going to read this. Just tell me, oh wise one, should I watch house of cards again?
Watch the old BBC version if you haven’t seen it.
…yes, but stop at the end of Season 2 (when he bangs his knuckles on the desk)
Sure.
I separate Gene Roddenberry’s shitty meddling and rapey behaviour from the work that Gene Coone and D.C. Fontana put into making Star Trek a work of art.
I’m with you. The people who struggle with it really make no sense to me.
Kanye is a right fucktard but he has written some goddamn bangers.
Polanski and Allen are amazing directors that are disgusting people.
Arnold cheated on his wife but he made so many awesome movies as an action star.
List goes on and on back to th beginning of time.
People are people. We are all flawed. Yes even you reading this now whoever you are. Get over yourself.
Cool. I guess we should all give up everyone. We’re all just shitty and you better hope you’re not on the wrong end of someone shitty because we’re shitty too and will continue to enable their behavior. How about you grow up? Trying to do better is a human trait, fuck you for giving everyone a pass on being shitty and not be accountable to each other.
At what point did I say give up and don’t try to be a better person?
Your absolutism is exactly what wrong with the world right now.
You can’t hold hands when you make fists.
I think about that when they don’t love anymore and can’t in any way profit from me consuming their work. Otherwise I just don’t. There is enough to watch out there.
I don’t know if you should try to separate art from artists when the art was a group effort and there were undoubtedly elements of the group that enabled his crimes so they could keep making the art.
I am emotionally incapable of enjoying that show anymore.
If it makes you feel any better, they’re all major assholes. I think Topher Grace is the only one with no shit stuck to him, but I can be mistaken.
Even Prepon? I don’t follow the media that much…
She’s a die hard scientologist. Probably the worse after Masterson.
She left Scientology recently-ish.
Oh, crap 🤦♂️😱
I know what you mean
Trumps presence and continuing head/kneck connection really makes me avoid anything America produces
I can’t even watch Ali G’s interview with trump any more. And that shit was funny.
kneck
My kneck, my bach
He’s the reason I can’t listen to Linkin Park anymore.
Ok I’m a bit out of the loop on this one, what is the connection with Linkin Park?
Emily Armstrong stepped in as the rock vocalist for Linkin Park when they put out a new album in 2024. She was a friend of Masterson and attended his trial in support.
I think it’s worth noting that she’s gone on record as saying she regrets that support and broke ties from him after that. She was also raised in a Scientologist household, so she was likely pressured to show outward support for him.
Appreciate the answer, thanks! And yeah that’s super fucked up. I hope she got away from scientology as well.
Is it maybe Linkin Park sucks?
/s calm down, put your keys at ease lol
