She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
fall for it once or twice shame on them, for fore it more than 3 times shame on the person.
I can excuse racism and pedophilia, but my financial wellbeing is where I draw the line!
Man, I mean, that kind of is the ugly truth, isn’t it? Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia if it means there’s a shot at personal gain. I’m not surprised, really, just wholly disgusted.
Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia
And it’s worse, just today I was reading
Groups of Italians and other nationalities, so-called “sniper tourists”, are alleged to have participated in the massacre after paying large sums of money to soldiers belonging to the army of Radovan Karadžić, the former Bosnian Serb leader who in 2016 was found guilty of genocide and other crimes against humanity, to be transported to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so that they could shoot at the population for pleasure.
Sarajevo is in a basin surrounded by mountains, which made cutting it off and attacking it particularly easy.The snipers were perhaps the most feared element of life under siege in Sarajevo because they would pick off people on the streets, including children, at random, as if it was a video game or a safari.
I know right? The dude said “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything” and ”I moved on her like a bitch.”
When I heard that during his first campaign, I thought he was done, no one could possibly accept such deplorable behavior, right?
…and here we are.
Well, think of who his supporters are, they just don’t think he means their pussy. How he got any women to vote for him is beyond me but…here we are, maybe they’d be proud and wear a shirt if he did and the “red pill” assholes were partly right ?
https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/
I remember when an enthusiastic “yeah!” would end a politicians career and mark them as “too unhinged” to represent anyone.
Brown suits and mustard preferences are also beyond the pale of acceptable political behavior
The thing is that a there’s actually a pretty big divide among MAGA now. Ever since Trump and his admin refused to release the Epstein files like promised, there’s a very big chunk of MAGA who went in uproar and rejected Trump. That chunk of MAGA which I would say is maybe around 1/3 of the base is disenfranchised because while they’re still MAGA in their beliefs, they no longer view Trump as a prophet like the rest of the base.
oh how I wish I believed that
I think its true. Think about it, a big part of right wing ideology, at least in the US, over the past decade or so is the idea that there’s global network of powerful individuals who influence how the world is run, who are discretely working together to run a child trafficking ring. This idea has spanned quite a few conspiracy theories from pizzagate to Q anon to the Epstein list. A very large chunk of the right not only believe this, but it is the basis of their political beliefs.
The reason why this part of the right gravitated towards Trump to begin with is because he’s the only one who entertained the idea. While all the other politicians ignored or denied these conspiracies, Trump used them to gain support. In 2016 Trump claimed that he was going to go against the establishment, expose their crimes, and drain the swamp. In 2020 he claimed that the powerful elites were conspiring against him because he was close to exposing them and they’re trying to steal the election to keep him out. In 2024 he claimed that he will release the Epstein files the first day he’s in office again.
A lot of people genuinely believed that he would do this even though he himself is a powerful elite, has close ties to the people who ran the pedo rings, and there’s allegation that he even participated… but then again, we’re not talking about the most critically skilled bunch. Regardless, these people supported Trump because he promised to deliver what they sought, and so in that sense they’re more loyal to their belief in their conspiracies then they are to Trump himself.
When the Epstein list turned out to be a real thing, their long running conspiracy theory has finally been validated, and they pinned all their hopes on the one guy in the political sphere who promised to bring it all out to light on day one. So when that time came and Trump started his second term, nothing happened. These people started getting antsy and they started putting more and more pressure on Trump and his admin to explain the delays, especially after Bondi explicitly stated that the files were on her desk.
So when Bondi and Trump suddenly did a 180 and not only refused to release the Epstein files, but straight up denied their existence, that’s when the spell was finally broken on some of these MAGA types who hitched a ride just for these files to be exposed to the public. This was doubly so when he publicly disowned any supporter who even entertained the idea of its existence. At that point even the most dimwitted MAGA who joined the movement for the truth saw that Trump was not only not going to deliver on his promises, but he basically just admitted that he’s guilty. He’s one of the elite they were trying to go after all this time.
This portion of MAGA is what became disenfranchised, they’re no longer see Trump as a fit leader for the movement even if they believe a lot of what he stands for. You don’t hear about them or see them as much, because they’re not really a part of MAGA anymore. They’ve been banned from all MAGA spaces virtual and irl the moment Trump disavowed them, and they’ve been rejected as being liberals by the more brainwashed MAGAs who are still in the movement, in fact these ultra brainwashed MAGAs are the movement.
This may ironically be a conspiracy theory on my part, but I firmly believe that this rift is real. I have never, ever seen the comment sections on Fox News, ONN, Brietbart as well as the Twitter, Truth Social, and the right wing youtube space turn as heavily against Trump as that moment. I think this was the last straw for a lot of them, and I assure you that Trump and his MAGA candidates are going to be shells of themselves in terms of performance in every election from now on.
If more people actually worked like this, we’d have fewer issues. Rightwing policies are absolutely terrible for working class people, and workers far outnumbers the groups that would benefit financially from these policies (even when the people in power are somewhat more reasonable than Trump and don’t sacrifice the entire economy for their insider trading schemes).
The solution is simple, we eat the rich
In the best scenario this is a wedge in what they believe. “If he lied about this… is he lying too about the rest?”
He has lied about so much and been proven wrong, so sadly I doubt anyone will take that away from this
I get all of the comments here. I understand the anger and distain that so many of you are feeling over the current state of things. I share in many of the frustrations and anger.
But it depresses me that Trump won’t run for office again. He will be replaced by someone and the entire pool of former Trumpers will see that person and think that they can do all the things they hoped that Trump would do.
Even if Trump exits office without doing any further significant harm, the people who have made these kinds of revelations, like in the OP, will probably still vote for the same party, in spite of it all. Sure, they may never vote for Trump again, but they’ll never get the chance to anyways, so who cares?
This was calculated.
Don’t be surprised if the next candidate follows the same playbook as Trump, and don’t be surprised if the MAGA crowd falls for it again.
The only way forward, to ensure that this kind of damage is stopped, is to rally together in sufficient numbers to ensure that these folks don’t get into office any more. The absentee voters need to get out and vote.
I am confident that the numbers would work out if we could get enough people to the voting booth.
Though I don’t feel bad for her, I would argue we should try to be nice. I’d rather have her see the light for the mistakes she made than her continuing being on the side of evil
We need more people on the right side
She hasn’t changed. She’ll vote for the next Trump who they believe will be more surgical when it comes to hurting people they don’t like. This is her basically telling the party to reduce the collateral damage. The ideology that brought her to support them hasn’t changed.
It’s taken the collapse of the system for them to even notice there is a problem. Notice how she has no issue with ICE and their abuses? Her issue is that the economy isn’t doing well, and her investments are falling apart. That’s what she’s upset about.
These people are not seeing the light, they are simply upset that they are having to burden the consequences as much as the “Other™” people.
In most free societies, an individual’s political beliefs are viewed as product of their circumstance, and since circumstances change for people all the time, their politics are also expected to change. The very concept of democracy revolves around the idea that people are able to change their opinions. This idea that politics is some sort immutable personality trait is only found among authoritarians because their ideologies are so rigid that they don’t leave any room for nuance.
Your opinion here is shouldn’t even be argued. It should be the standard for any individual who genuinely believes in the concept of democracy.
She’s not and will never be an ally, she only voted to preserve her privilege with the hope of ruining the lives of those she considered undeserving. now she has lost some of her privilege, and now it is a problem for her.
That’s literally how politics is supposed to work. People are a product of circumstance, and since there are a lot of people with different circumstances that constantly change, there’s going to be a competition of power. Democracy, as a concept, exists to facilitate this competition peacefully. People vote for their best interests, and politicians compete with each other to convince voters that they understand their circumstances and will do what’s in their best interest. If a voter feels like a politicians isn’t representing them anymore, they move to a different politicians that represents them better.
You have to be some type of authoritarian to embrace the idea that people are inherently evil or their politics is immutable. If you reject the notion that people can change their views, compromise, or cooperate with each other then you’re fundamentally at odds with democracy, and YOU are the problem.
That is if you assume everyone is selfish and cares only for themselves. Solidarity exists. she only cared about herself, she did not care at all for anyone else who Trump promised to hurt.
This is not how politics works, and if no one has empathy for anyone else and only cares from themselves, then society itself wont work.
You say politics shouldn’t be about self interest, but you’re condemning someone for not showing solidarity in the past while refusing to acknowledge that they might have it now. That’s not principled, that’s punitive.
You’re demanding empathy from others while showing none yourself. If someone changes their views because they’ve experienced harm, that’s not selfish. That’s how people grow. If you actually believe in solidarity, you should welcome people who come around, not gatekeep it.
Otherwise, you’re not defending empathy. You’re using it as a weapon to feel morally superior. That’s hypocritical.
Let’s say, i doubt that by pure coincidence she got a moral compass the exact same moment her choices caught up to her.
I see her as a liability to any group. accept her at your own risk. and enjoy getting backstabbed or have your movement coopted.
So it looks like I was spot on, you really are self righteous moral crusader with superiority complex.
Also, it’s not a matter of acceptance. It’s a matter of strategic opportunity. You can’t ever achieve anything at all if all you ever do is gatekeep, run endless purity tests, and operate in absolute extremes.
You are the one who wants to work with MAGA. and I’m the extreme one?
Yeah, youre just her with a different coloured shirt on, mate. Youre just a hateful, spiteful little person spewing popular buzzwords like your internet uparrows mean anything.
I mean, whats your endgame here? Round them up and deport them… You either pull your head out of your ass and accept that people are just people, and you forgive. Or, you keep on being a knob, and see where that gets you. Spoiler alert, nowhere good.
Time to put the digital pitchforks down, and start fucking talking.
You can’t even bring together people who aren’t on Trump sides, so you are failing on your messaging from the start when it comes to your big proclamation of talking it out.
You dont have to come together, you just have to stop being cunts to each other. None of you are fucking evil. Just fucking talk!
You aren’t even doing a good job of getting non Trump supporters to agree with you.
And if you don’t see supporting someone who wants to be a dictator, wants to get rid of minorities, hires white nationalists like Hegseth, threatens Canada’s independence, bombs Venezuelan boats, and has ties to the files as not evil then what exactly is evil to you?
Because a person who endorses that type of person and only complains when they are financially affected, but were happily cheering on the policies before hand sure seem evil to me. This isn’t like some disagreement about which food is better. What they fundamentally were in support of is red flags.
Its not my job to make you drink, just show you where the water is.
You dont know what the other people think or why they do the things they do. You just apply your dumb logic to people, and demote them to second class. Theres a word for people like that…
Heres a little history lesson. Just after the slaves were freed they found themselves with nothing. So they applied the skills they had, and grew Watermelon and sold it at market. They didnt just survive, they thrived. So much so that the watermelon became a symbol of Black of hope and strength to the freed slaves. The former slave owners on the other hand, didnt like that. So they started taking out ads showing black people eating watermelon like animals. And not just black people, caricatures of black people with the big lips. Inside 10 years, the watermelon was a racist symbol and struggled to sell it. Theres a story of a young boy who met his former nanny. When she left, the boy cried as he didnt want her to go. But when they met again, and the woman was over joyed to see the young boy she asked him to share some watermelon with him. His reply? “I dont eat n***** food.”.
That is the power of propaganda. And that was just local weekly/monthly newspapers. But it worked so well, that over 100 years later, the watermelon is still associated with hatred of black people, instead of the symbol of hope that it started out as. Theres a lot more than a few newspapers now. But you seem to think that because people fall for the bullshit, that make it ok to hate them. Because they werent cool like to to see through it. Cos youre the good guys… gods chosen people… or some dumb shit that allows you to look at human beings and see something beneath you.
I don’t even want to talk to you and you aren’t even as unpleasant as those who support maga ideals, so your whole just talk it out has been a failure from the onset. But, if you believe maga is even easier to talk it out and change their minds then go at it.
Nah, she is not and will never be an ally. the moment things are OK for her again she will be fine throwing us under the bus again. We need solidarity and a better country for everyone, not just for her or for “me”.
I cared when minorities who arent me were tormented. every decent human did. she did not, she celebrated and caused that.
What I want? to her to stay without friends or family and society to heal but her to die alone because everyone should know the horrors she intentionally caused on everyone.
If trump steps down and becomes broke and poor and suddenly ask for help to the poor, would you accept him?
Dude, all you did was spout popular online thing. You dont give a fuck about the people who just want to earn a living, who dont have the time to worry about everyone else. You just make some wild claim about them, never once considering their circumstances. Talk about being privileged…
I work my ass off for local mutual aid to feed those trump has left behind and it truly breaks my heart knowing I will soon won’t be able afford food for that, as I can barely afford to feed myself. That’s besides all the marches and weekly protests and organising, and canvasing…
Do you really think everyone is just selfish and cares only for themselves?
lol Sure you do. And you just cant wait to tell everyone how totally selfless you are, while at the same time wanting people reduced to 2nd class status because… you think they should.
You sound just like they people you hate. Its hilarious how clear it is, yet you just wont see it.
stop for a second. do you think I do that just so I can brag online? or do you think I’m lying? or do you think that no one would do things to help other people?
because if the last one is “no” that says more about you than you think
Was this your word choice for trying to get people to work together? Demeaning someone for demeaning someone while demanding they work together might not be the best route either. But I agree we need to find ways to build bridges or else we will never be able to make things better. As for deporting people though, there are some harsh actions that may be needed. I’m not saying it is the best route but the next president arresting supreme Court judges for taking bribes, executing them for treason without due process could cause chaos. It could also help pass legislation that makes the president not immune to illegal acts as the supreme Court ruled. It would force the legislature to make abuse of powers and more restrictions on the executive branch which to be honest, needs to have its powers shrunk drastically. The point of a Republic is for the peoples representatives to be empowered to write legislation that helps advance/give opportunities to as many people as possible supposedly “equally”, or at least fairly. But our executive branch having the ability to make executive orders completely undercuts all of that. If we don’t do away with executive orders I think if an executive order is issued it should run side by side with an impeachment. Where then they are voted on by Congress and if half of Congress votes no confidence that it was completely necessary for the safety of the nation, the President is immediately removed. (Different rules than impeachment/removal) obviously
Aka, if there is an attack or something, they can make an executive order to respond before waiting for congress, but if congress feels it was misused, they are gone. No one should care who the president is, they should be a police officer in my mind. What they arrest someone for shouldn’t be their choice, nor any punishment be their choice. If you are found to fake evidence it should also be viewed as treason. Which would make any party fight to do away with capital punishment pretty quick, because they won’t want 7 members of their party getting the electric chair when they get caught up in lying to the public, like they do daily.
You cant work with someone who’s only concern is herself. she will throw you under the bus the moment she can.
We need solidarity, not monsters who are now suffering the consequences of the policies they celebrated.
Do you think we should have mercy for the Germans who supported the Nazis and celebrated the genocide but lost everything during the war?
I am not saying to kill her, just that we should build a better world with our her consent. Let her live the rest of her life without family or friends and hated by everyone in the community.
We must work together. but we cannot work with people who have created this nightmare, who celebrated it, and are only sad when they horrors inevitable reached them. not just a moral purity stance. they will betray you the moment it benefits them.
You cannot build bridges with them, and if you do, don’t complain when they throw you under the bus.
Now that being against trump is being defined as terrorism. you cannot bring in a MAGA, because they will rat you and your friends out in hopes to regain their status.
Sorry if I am not at my most eloquent, it is late and I am very tired.
Fuck me, youre a right nazi… which kinda ironic, when you think about it…
Fuck off,
are you one of those “antifa are the real fascists”?
Actually Im more one of those, “Anyone in the culture wars is fucking spoon”. Known what I mean, spoon?
She won’t, she will betray you the moment it benefits her.
She will rat you and whoever you are organized with to the state in hopes to regain her status.
Maybe
But as long as we make “out side” hostile for people to walk over, we will make it worse for ourselves.
I’d rather treat coverts nice with the risk that they might continue to be a dick but who knows, she might see us how we actually really are, learn, and change her stance. Maybe she can even pull some more to the nice side.
it isn’t your traditional conservative that’s worried about taxes, MAGA are extremely racist, you can’t rehabilitate that. not without a lot of introspection and years of therapy.
the Epstein shutdown
At least she sees it. I’m glad she does.
Pretty sure this is fake. People who don’t think so have way way more faith in these idiots than I do. The ones who do not starve to death will be voting for him in the next election.
Why would this be “the Epstein shutdown”? Sorry I’m out of the loop(non-american)
While it isn’t the full motive for the shutdown, part of the motive is likely avoiding release of the Epstine files. Currently, only one more “yes” vote is required in the House of Representatives to pass a resolution calling for the release of the files. There is a new member of the House who was elected in Arizona but she hasn’t been sworn in yet. The Speaker of the House has been delaying swearing her in for two months and has essentially shut down the House to avoid the issue. In the mean time, this means that the House is doing literally nothing to end the ongoing government shutdown.
The house isn’t the hold up in the shutdown, but the rest is accurate. House can’t help end the shutdown until the filibuster in the Senate ends. But there’s other things, like committee investigations, they could be doing.
They’re also holding up shutdown negotiations by not passing anything new that the senate can work with. They’re basically saying “do a clean CR or nothing”.
When someone leaves a cult, ya got two choices. Accept them or reject them. If you reject them they’ll just run straight to another cult
She voted 3 times for a racist idiot. The last time she knew he was also a pedo.
I may have missed some posts, but I didn’s see a word about deportations tearing apart families. She’s cool with that. She’s angry because Trump hurt the “wrong gmoups”. He was supposed to hurt only some other groups.
Fortunately for me, I don’t live in the US, I am not a US citizen, and I don’t have to “accept her”.
I bet she will rally behind the next guy promising to hurt “others”, but posing as anti-Trump because he hurt some “good” Americans.
didn’t say you had to forgive. Just that you had two choices.
Rejection will 100% guarantee they will flock to the next leader promising to retaliate for them
LMAO. Suffer, bitch.
I really don’t understand how these people manage to dilute themselves into believing he’d be any different to the first time he was in office.
The fact that her username is The Patriotic Blonde really just tells you all you need to know. She’s got no personality at all, she has one character trait, and it may not be all that interesting but nonetheless, her entire life revolves around it.
dilute themselves
The fact that her username is The Patriotic Blonde really just tells you
…that the whole thing was probably never a real person posting their actual thoughts to begin with?
Well they believed in the rationale and prescription for what he claimed to achieve so there’s a lot of scope there to forgive failure to meet targets because as they see it, there’s a mountain of opposition and sabotage standing in the way of making America great again so if what he said we was going to do didn’t happen and if the way he said he’d do it didn’t work it’s not really a challenge to either what Trump claims should be done nor how he should do it, it only highlights to supporters how difficult that task is and how strong their support needs to be.
This kind of thing, one of the duped expressing regret - I think is probably one of the most effective ways of bursting the MAGA bubble and letting at least a tiny bit or reality set in. It doesn’t challenge the things the supporters think are wrong with their country nor directly challenge the methods for remedying it, but it would introduce that little kernel of doubt for at least a few people without coming from “libtards” or in some way seeming to criticise the beliefs that led them to their current situation. She’d be dismissed of course; a paid shill no doubt, or a crisis actor or just a traitorous member of the flock who didn’t have the faith or conviction necessary, but if this kind of thing shows up a lot and gets loud enough it might stand more of a chance than any critique of MAGA or Trump if there ever was really any hope of such processes having meaningful impact.
That said, even if that worked, it’d do little to address systemic issues that gave rise to MAGA and in any case if the MAGA cultists take this gentle out without need to re-evaluate the thinking that got them there then really it’d just end up being that Trump was only bad for failing to do what he promised not because what he promised was reprehensible and how he planned to do it absurd and illogical so they’ll be prime for the picking for the next Trump hydra head to take his place.
This is the “Turning Point USA” we need.
A year or two ago I would have felt sorry for her.
Now I have absolutely zero sympathy.
I would love (well…not really “love”) to see the rest of that tweet as I expect them to say something along the lines of “…but I still love you and believe in you and how much you love America yadda yadda”…
The rest was rich, though.
Children are starving due to no fault of their own. Senior citizens are going without their medications just so they can afford to eat.
Politely shut the fuck up.
We see you.
Starting when?
Do they ever own up to their poor judgement flying in the face of all the blatant, nonstop bullshit since before he began?
Children are starving
due to no fault of their ownbecause of me. Senior citizens are going without their medications just so they can afford to eat because of me.votes for republicans again because providing free healthcare and giving free food to school children communism
I cannot bring myself to believe that this is real. The only way I can believe someone so eloquent of a writer would believe Trump is if they are in on it and it seems she’s not a billionaire. Also, I don’t think people who would vote for Trump 3 times would ever have the ability to reflect and change their view on him.
If they would be capable of that, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.
For me it was how easily they slipped in the phrase “Epstein shutdown” that gave it away. That just seems so clearly phrased by someone who always hated Trump cosplaying as victim of a face eating leopard.
The moment she expressed concern for people who weren’t her, or directly related to her, was what broke the suspension of disbelief for me.
100%. Rightwingers believe people who use welfare are mostly undeserving except the occasional outlier. They’d more easily accept that the dems simply won’t let Trump release the Epstein list or some conspiratorial nonsense than call it the Epstein shutdown. This is a lib doing a “How do you do fellow cultists”.
Also, a bit too articulate for the average cultist.
Rightwingers believe people who use welfare are mostly undeserving except the occasional outlier.
And all of their family members who rely on welfare are in the “outlier” group. Because they aren’t like those other people. They really need it.
Or they also hate their family members. It can be pretty hard to convince these types of people that your medical conditions are actually real if they’re not as visible as e.g. amputated limbs, and then they just see you as lazy failures or something.
If you haven’t had the “pleasure”, talk to a Republican in real life. This is how they think…
I talk to them daily. This is not how they think. They didn’t ever stop to think that maybe they were wrong.
Don’t doubt the human capacity for self
reflectiondeception. I’ve met quite a few of articulate imbeciles who voted orange.Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.
Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.
This shit is why I never use autocorrect. It’s way too easy to end up saying this kind of absurd garbage, some typos and typing slightly slower can never be as bad as that. And I’m already the type who might forget a “not” and thus say the complete opposite of what I intended …
Kelsey Grammar, who player Frasier and the X-man Beast, is famously a Trump asslicker.
Hmmm, side show bob was famously a self aware, smart republican. Good casting
The belt got tighter and tighter until it started to hurt them personally. Then they started to reflect.
Ain’t wrong. But this is bullshit.
Agreed. Too good to be true.
Not a single phonetic-based misspelling? Such lies.
If only she had come to this realization NINE YEARS AGO
If she saw the future she’d still vote for Trump. The core ideology is something she agrees with and is happy with many of the policies being carried out. She’s just not happy about the random way it is being carried out that is leading to collateral damage to groups of her kind that weren’t supposed to be affected.
I mean better late than never. Though it should be pointed out, that her rejecting Trump doesn’t mean that her beliefs changed, just that she’s Trump for the liar that he is.
