• LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations, and guess what happens then?

    (*Spoiler: Hitler did this until other countries started refusing all the deportations. Only then did he start gassing people. This is stage 1.)

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      At some point, other countries will stop taking these extrajudicial deportations

      Yeah, no. They are being paid to accept these people and they intend to do absolutely nothing with them. just dump them out there and say “good luck”.

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        2 months ago

        I think that when the American dollar becomes useless, these countries will be accepting the trafficked as slaves. …If they aren’t already. No decent person would send over 500 children to be disappeared.

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    2 months ago

    Slaves.

    Don’t kid yourself these people are being sold as slaves. That’s why they’re being sent to these countries. We are selling slaves.

  • DicJacobus@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    notice how they’re sending these planes to countries that barely have an airforce to chase them the fuck away with.

    they’re sending them to places where the local governments wouldnt dare protest.

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    2 months ago

    At least this indicates the missing people from Alligator Alcatraz are alive. And isn’t that a sentence I would very much like to never, ever say again.

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    Jesus f-ing Christ, it’s like inverse-slavery and America having decided to be the slave sellers this time around. Literally negotiating to work people from previously active workforces to countries they have no ties and a paper agreement of their guilt that allows them to be manhandled like slaves on the industrial scale.

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    2 months ago

    The military flights cost up to $28k an hour, but it’s OK, he’s putting this all on your national debt, his giant credit card.

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    This is murder with extra steps. The genocide has already started. I genuinely thought we had more time before it started…

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        We go four years of lessons about how the rich and connected live by a totally different set of rules and laws from those of us that are not rich or connected.

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        We need to start talking about how we’re going to hold these people accountable once this is all over. And we need to think of methods that bypass SCOTUS all together.

        I propose that we rendition ICE agents to the countries of their victims to face trial in foreign courts. Are you an ICE agent that sent a bunch of innocent Venezuelans off to die in a prison camp in Ghana? We’re shipping your ass to Venezuela to face trial for your crimes against Venezuelan citizens. Just bypass the US judicial system all together, same as Trump is doing. That way some future Republican president can’t just pardon these bastards, and we don’t have to worry about a criminally corrupt SCOTUS refusing to hold murderers accountable for their crimes.

        That’s the thing about crimes against immigrants. In theory you can be prosecuted in either their current country or their home country. If you harm an immigrant in the US, even if the US justice system is incapable of holding you accountable, you could simply be extradited to the home nation of your victim.

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          I think it should be simple for ICE members: get the accounting books, see who is paid. Then execute them.

          It isn’t kind, but clearly the mercy of Reconstruction and the Nuremberg trials (About 210 Nazis executed) allowed the bastards to be rooted in the culture of their nations. They must be treated like weeds, else they will come back.

          The biggest worry here, is the books being falsified when the Hitlerites have clearly lost the war. They would likely add the names of their enemies to their books at the last minute. Hopefully, the Furry Hackers of the Allies would consistently obtain payment records, so that we can know when fake entries have been added.

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            They have to have due process but I agree that the punishments have been way too soft. The confederacy, the Jim Crow connected officials and the lynch mobs should have been dealt with after a trial with a jury made up of a jury of the community that they were targeting.

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              I figure that payment records is the closest we can get to due process. ICE wears masks to avoid retribution, and many of their victims will be killed to ensure their silence. Maybe someone smarter than me can figure out a better way to track ICE membership, but I can’t think of it.

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                Yeah but the point of due process (especially since you specifically mentioned executions), is to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the person did the thing they’re accused of.

                Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people. Due process includes gathering the evidence you mentioned, but then also making sure that it’s real and valid and not just someone who didn’t like their neighbor so reported them or what have you

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                  Otherwise, you make mistakes and you kill innocent people.

                  There are no innocent employees collecting checks from DHS.

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    You know, the Nazis did the same with wasting valuable military resources transporting considered undesirables to be imprisoned and killed, even though they were in the middle of a war, and the logistics were badly needed to transport supply and reinforcements to the front lines. I always say fascists will always fall because they are running on emotions. So much for “facts don’t care about feelings” from MAGAts.

    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
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      This isn’t really true. Generally, the Nazis were running trains eastward with supplies for their troops in Russia. The trains filled with victims for the camps would have otherwise returned empty. The same logistical situation is why so many POWs captured by the Allies in Europe and North Africa were brought back to the United States for incarceration.

      As far as the expense of the Holocaust was concerned, the death camp Treblinka is pretty instructive. Treblinka operated for a period of 18 months, during which approximately 900,000 people were killed by the exhaust from a single salvaged tank engine. The camp was staffed at any one time by about 25 German officers and soldiers and 100 local civilian workers. Treblinka was an utterly trivial fraction of Germany’s overall war effort, and yet it killed a million people.

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        The difference though is that the Allies could spare more resources, while the Axis can’t. German rail lines also keep getting sabotaged and the blockade and air bombing kept the resources to fix them being disrupted or destroyed. The Allies didn’t have such issues on their end. The German trains coming from the Eastern front could have loaded up more wounded but even so, I imagine they would have more limited available train freight because of destruction.

        The anti-partisan action by the Axis also took up so much manpower that could have otherwise gone to the frontline. Not to mention that the very same people the Germans killed, could have been soldiers themselves on the side of the Axis. Many Ukrainians welcomed the Nazis as liberators and could have helped the Nazis against the Soviet Union, but of course, the Nazis had a different idea. Mussolini’s fascism was mild compared to the Nazis, and he was right that the Hitler’s obsession on race is a waste of time and resources.

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          Once America got involved it was over for Germany. There is no scenario where Germany could have won with the US involved. Just fighting France and England and Russia they absolutely would have won. Could have anyway. How many people did the Russians sacrifice to get rid of the Germans, 17 million? Guys behind the lines to shoot anybody that Retreats from their position for any reason.

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            Guys behind the lines to shoot anybody that Retreats from their position for any reason.

            That’s not what the purpose of blocking brigades was. Casualty rates were roughly similar between Germany and the USSR, if you don’t include civilians.

            There’s a lot of fictions made up by nazis about the eastern front that western historians took seriously until the Soviet archives from the time were made public, that we still see in Hollywood and pop culture, like machine-gunning their own troops, sending soldiers without weapons, and human-wave “tactics”.

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              That is not a piece of history that has ever been up for debate that I have seen, nor one that the Soviets have tried to hide or Russians have tried to deny. It was trotsky’s idea, and in the Ukraine war they may have dusted it off to some degree.

              So I don’t know where you are getting that from but they absolutely were known for shooting anybody that retreated from their position no matter what the circumstance. They lost 17 million people.

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                Why not the wikipedia article? It cites statistics and primary sources.

                Their job was to gather troops from shattered divisions so they could be reformed, and arrest ones who were refusing to fight so they could be tried later.

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                  Or the hundreds of history books it is written in, I don’t know what your recent iteration of Wikipedia says, But that has been the history, you are the first person I have ever heard challenging it. If that is something that you got off of a recent Wikipedia edit, I would not be surprised there is some new form of revisionism going on.