Lemmy has a profound ability to retroactively decide something they once liked sucks. Not in the same way as learning something negative about the context, the artist, or the process and regretting that something they liked could come from a negative source. No, I mean they retroactively decide that the thing they liked is actually awful and they never liked it; because Lemmy is full of emotional children who collapse into hysterics the moment they see the letters A and I together, with most not even able to fully articulate why they feel the way they do, other than “AI bad!”
It’s like if you gave a meat lover a vegan hot dog without telling them; and at first they like it and say how good it is. But then when you tell them it’s not meat they immediately spit it out and start gagging and crying and saying how disgusting it is, as if moments ago they weren’t just saying how much they liked it.
Yes I can enjoy eating a hotdog but if I find out you stole that hot dog from a 13 year old, now I’m too upset that you stole from someone to enjoy it anymore. It’s not that they “don’t like it” anymore, they just hate that it’s ai generated more than they like the image.
Yes, as I said, you can regret the circumstances that led to it. You can even dislike continuing to consume it. What we are talking about is you going “Mmm… Delicious!” Then spitting it out and going “Blegh, disgusting! Who could ever enjoy something that tastes like THAT!”
The quality of the art isn’t in question here. what is, is what got it there. So yeah, if I see an picture and like it, but then find out it’s made by a talentless little hack that typed a sentence into a text prompt-
… It instantly sucks ass.
You see, it’s this reason that drives us to put our children’s shitty pictures on the fridge. It’s not because it’s art show adjacent work. It’s becase of the effort and time spent learning to make it what it is. Effort is something we call an “added value”. As is experience and training. These things are all subconsciously included in how we appreciate a thing- how we attribute a value it.
-and all of these things are ONLY acquired by a human being.
So no, it’s not “lemmy retroactively deciding something liked once sucked”
It’s learning that something they once liked, took zero effort to make, and wasn’t even created by a human being, but instead- a sweaty little wannabe “artist” behind a keyboard.
I like the metaphor where you deny someone’s dietary/moral choices, essentially made them party to a grave sin in their eyes, rob them of their ability to consent, and then laugh at them when they’re upset about it. It’s really fucking telling.
I… swore it was the other way round. Either way, their metaphor isn’t the same as the actual situation because most who don’t like AI hate it on a moral ground (wasteful, egregious) rather than on a pure aesthetic one.
Lemmy has a profound ability to retroactively decide something they once liked sucks. Not in the same way as learning something negative about the context, the artist, or the process and regretting that something they liked could come from a negative source. No, I mean they retroactively decide that the thing they liked is actually awful and they never liked it; because Lemmy is full of emotional children who collapse into hysterics the moment they see the letters A and I together, with most not even able to fully articulate why they feel the way they do, other than “AI bad!”
It’s like if you gave a meat lover a vegan hot dog without telling them; and at first they like it and say how good it is. But then when you tell them it’s not meat they immediately spit it out and start gagging and crying and saying how disgusting it is, as if moments ago they weren’t just saying how much they liked it.
Yes I can enjoy eating a hotdog but if I find out you stole that hot dog from a 13 year old, now I’m too upset that you stole from someone to enjoy it anymore. It’s not that they “don’t like it” anymore, they just hate that it’s ai generated more than they like the image.
Yes, as I said, you can regret the circumstances that led to it. You can even dislike continuing to consume it. What we are talking about is you going “Mmm… Delicious!” Then spitting it out and going “Blegh, disgusting! Who could ever enjoy something that tastes like THAT!”
If you think people who hate AI haven’t articulated many reasons why, you must not be listening.
The quality of the art isn’t in question here. what is, is what got it there. So yeah, if I see an picture and like it, but then find out it’s made by a talentless little hack that typed a sentence into a text prompt-
… It instantly sucks ass.
You see, it’s this reason that drives us to put our children’s shitty pictures on the fridge. It’s not because it’s art show adjacent work. It’s becase of the effort and time spent learning to make it what it is. Effort is something we call an “added value”. As is experience and training. These things are all subconsciously included in how we appreciate a thing- how we attribute a value it.
-and all of these things are ONLY acquired by a human being.
So no, it’s not “lemmy retroactively deciding something liked once sucked”
It’s learning that something they once liked, took zero effort to make, and wasn’t even created by a human being, but instead- a sweaty little wannabe “artist” behind a keyboard.
There is NO defense for AI making slop art.
I like the metaphor where you deny someone’s dietary/moral choices, essentially made them party to a grave sin in their eyes, rob them of their ability to consent, and then laugh at them when they’re upset about it. It’s really fucking telling.
I think you inverted the scenario. Otherwise you’re suggesting there’s some way that eating a veggie dog is a grave sin
I… swore it was the other way round. Either way, their metaphor isn’t the same as the actual situation because most who don’t like AI hate it on a moral ground (wasteful, egregious) rather than on a pure aesthetic one.
See? Just like I said: emotional children.
They literally glossed over your point and the other dude, and then claim humans are perfect art making creatures.
Spoken just like someone who would actually argue that a computer can crate the human equivalent of art.