Apparently, I don’t have a issue when a psycho does it and delivers me the meat, of an animal I have never seen before.
Unfortunately many people working in the factories are not psychopaths. The job has a really high turnaround rate and a lot of the people working there get very high rates of depression , it’s also very unsafe work
It’s not the name calling it’s that it basically shuts down anyone actually considering it because that’s how humans work. If you say you are bad for doing this the most common reactions are to become defensive or ignore it, both of which are counterproductive to someone changing their mind.
I get downvoted a lot by .worlders even for unbiased true statements, but I still think it’s the most effective for convincing debatebros. Irl the most effective is just having good meals that happen to be vegan, so people around you see it’s really not that hard and you can still eat good food.
Yes I 100% agree which is why if anyone is in that situation I won’t fault them. To quote my brother after studying psychology for 4 years, humans are smart monkeys. The fact that we live in a world where that exists doesn’t make me not try and push for a better world though.
I’m not morally obligated to help people or animals every moment of my life. I am morally obligated not to be the cause suffering I could easily prevent.
How about a bill that removes subsidies for meat and gives subsidies to fruits and vegetables…? Now you have healthier people and less animal suffering
Yes and just because we do it doesn’t make it okay, no? Humans kill each other just like animals, but I’m not going to use that as a justification for killing someone.
I mean is it really that absurd? For most people in the US, meat is really not necessary. The only argument would be it’s cheaper, and the reason it’s cheaper is because it’s subsidized. I’m not going to call out the starving guy in Africa for killing a cow or farming pigs, nor the poor person buying the cheap meat. I will call out a person who could swap off meat with minimal changes still supporting the animal industry, and the people who vote for the subsidies.
I say it’s not an absurd comparison because there are some 300 million animals going through factory farming every year, where some animals don’t even have room to stand or turn around and get huge painful wounds all over their body. Same with broiler chickens basically being unable to stand and having heart attacks because their organs are basically being crushed from birth. Not to mention the people working at animal processing facilities end up scarred mentally from seeing blood and death 8 hours a day, where instead they could just be working on a normal farm. This on the scale of 300 million animals… idk like it’s maybe not the same level of brutality but the scale of the suffering is just massive.
Animals also extremely commonly rape and murder, and humans do it too. But we generally try to avoid animal instincts that cause suffering, even if many people naturally would do those things.
Mm I mean I agree just not fully, I think most people just don’t make the full connection. For most people it’s like saying to stop using your right hand, it’s causing mass suffering. The initial reaction is to say that’s just ridiculous. It’s just so normalized and ingrained, and meals are very important for a lot of people. It’s that lack of connection between what you do and the actual effects, and also just people not wanting to know (a friend i know has an idea it’s bad but specifically tries to avoid learning anything about it). So not necessarily they don’t have empathy, it’s just willingly or unknowingly not making the connection between their actions and the actual animal.
Actually I just went to the store and did NOT grab the steak. Surprisingly this took me less time than going to the meat section.
It is possible to care about human suffering and also animal suffering. I can say supporting factory farming is horrible, and the way we treat some people is horrible. Most sane people don’t want animals tortured, and are outraged when someone hurts their pet, but then also support factory farming because having a pig in a 3ft by 3ft cage sitting unable to move for its entire life is based actually.
I wouldn’t doubt vista had a saved games folder but Vista was a big outlier. File extensions are hidden by default on windows, so most people see logs as text files. It’s easier to see “what’s this random text file?” vs digging through your pc to try and find something you don’t even know what you’re looking for. Again programdata would be fine but it is extremely not obvious to the user because there is no hyperlink to it and it is HIDDEN by default. As a developer if I want the most incompetent users to still be able to find the game files, documents is the only place I have for that. A lot of people don’t even know how to open the C drive.
So first of all the notification for onedrive makes no indication it is backing up all your data, or that it’s installed, or that you should really really look at it. At least in windows 8/10, all it said was “all your files in one place!” And as windows has been known to advertise to the user, most people will think this is just an advertisement, not a warning.
What you are suggesting instead is that the city council builds another lane just in case someone starts driving on the wrong side of the road.
Well in this analogy it’s more like the car has a built in thing that locks me into going straight so I nick the other car trying to turn out of the way, and the only indication I got of this feature from the manufacturer was “your driving can be made much easier!”
To the VAST majority of users? Yes, they are. I can’t remember the last time I had to fiddle with a config file… 2008? Maybe 2010? As for mods - if you’re modding a game, you can spend all of 30 seconds extra to learn where Program Data lives.
Sure it’s pretty rare, but here are some examples I’ve done pretty recently.
Editing starcraft 2 configs to get different shadow and lighting settings for better performance
Editing openmw configs to change some settings that weren’t in the launcher
Changing some settings in sims 3 to prevent a crash
Changing settings back in a game because the game wouldn’t launch after I changed it in game
What are you trying to argue here now? “Microsoft bad” or something more specific? My entire point is why is a program I never installed or wanted causing issues, which is MUCH worse than something I installed causing the problem. You don’t know what you don’t know, so how would I have any idea what’s causing it’s? Look through every single program I have installed? If I never opened it surely it’s not doing something I never asked for. I don’t care what the things I actually installed do, if I think it’s stupid a game writes to documents, I can just not install that game. If I think it’s stupid onedrive is breaking my games, first I even need to know it’s installed and exists, then I need to know what it’s doing, then I need to know that oh this might be causing the issue, then I need to know how to remove it.
Even that comment you linked said removing onedrive reduced the issue heavily. As another example my friend just this week had a text file he was reading for a python script and onedrive put a random tag on it that made it break his script (which sounds strikingly similar to that sims 3 thread and similar issues I’ve heard and experienced over the years). It’s fine you and people you know never had issues (though maybe you did and your hardware was just good enough to not notice), but just look up onedrive issues with games, it DOES mess with many users files. You can write 100% of these off to user error or a broken install if you want, but WHY do they have to care about this in the first place for a program they never installed or wanted??? Why is it touching their files at all??
I have never even heard of the my saves filder and can’t find anything about it from searching, do you mean Documents/My Games? And yes we are not talking about saves, we’re also talking about config files and potential mods and potential screenshots. Some devs also put logs next to saves in case a game crashed or misbehaved, especially in the case of moddable games. Even non-technical people can read a log and see file not found. I did this when I was 7 years old and had no clue about hidden files or appdata or even how to GET to the C drive, because games just wrote to documents or I would never find anything.
Microsoft has NOTHING to do with where a developer decides his application will shit its data.
Yes and I also have nothing to do with someone turning their car into my lane, but I’m not going to smash into them and say well I was in the right. Microsoft may be fully justified in thinking nothing is in there besides documents that someone actually wants backed up, and they can be fully justified as every user has their games break. Do you know why people blame onedrive and not the game? Because they actually wanted the game.
Because none of that is important for the user, unless they’re troubleshooting. And if they’re troubleshooting, they either know where to look already, or they’re googling to find out anyway.
Config files and mod files are unimportant to the user…? And again troubleshooting as a non-poweruser is still possible if the log says “file not found.”
Yes I disabled it when it was hard coded and I sure wish it was job done. It kept running the service even though I had disabled it and then on a later update fully re enabled itself, so my choices are be really confused and have games be broken until I figure out onedrive is back or fully delete it and have a broken file manager.
Yeah, that’s not how computers work. Really so if I go on my pc right now and type for i in 0…10000 sleep 1 echo test >> ~/Documents/terriblespot.txt will this cause massive lag spikes in games? What about if I write to /boot just for fun, surely it won’t work just fine because it’s my computer not Microsoft’s.
What you said about opening onedrive is just not accurate, when you first install windows you get a tiny pop-up that says something along the lines of “keep all your files synced in one place!” And I as well as most people click the x. So I was actually just supposed to know that meant “we are actually syncing your folders unless you specifically say not to.”
I’m sure onedrive is perfectly fine for work applications, but for anyone that plays any games ever I have told them always uninstall or disable onedrive ASAP. I had actually forgotten that it can lock your documents folder and break games (and I believe other programs too) https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims3/comments/y1mhf8/psa_if_you_arent_able_to_save_on_windows_11_22h2/
My documents has been the standard location for game saves for probably 20 years. You can say it shouldn’t be and you might even be right, but that’s the reality and Microsoft KNOWS that’s the reality. If appdata is really supposed to be for things like game logs, configuration and saves, can you explain to me why it’s hidden by default? How is the average person supposed to copy saves? Back them up? Edit their configuration settings? This is exactly why my documents became the default.
I personally have un-installed onedrive and had it break my file browser such that the onedrive button was still there and any time I accidentally clicked it the file browser froze. I don’t think you can chalk up every instance of onedrive slowing down a pc to user error, maybe some other software doing something unexpected + some user error. But again, many people are having issues caused by a software they never wanted. I should be able to be the worst dev ever and do whatever “incorrect” things I want, regardless of what a software I never installed and can’t get rid of thinks.
It’s also just unexpected behavior, you’re telling me just writing to my documents will lag my pc? What if I’m transferring files to my documents while doing something else, now I get massive lag spikes for the crime of putting files somewhere on my computer…? And what if it’s pictures I absolutely do not want on Microsoft servers, like medical photos? Am I just required to know Microsoft put software that uploads it without me ever consenting?
Sure razer programs are super sketchy, but a convenience program I never installed should not touch ANYTHING unless I tell it to. The issue isn’t “oh razer is bad so it was probably onedrive doing something correctly and then it broke” it’s “why did I have to waste time figuring out some random program I never installed and don’t want was causing this problem?”
They are writing constantly to documents because it makes it obvious to the user where the logs are, why do you get to decide they don’t get to write there? For example openmw a huge project puts logs there. Again it’s the fact it’s a program I never installed and don’t want that I had to spend hours researching to maybe find out what was causing it.
An example of it being really buggy to get rid of
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3998214/one-drive-keeps-recreating-itself
Reinstalling itself
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/brai09/onedrive_keeps_reinstalling_itself/
About performance idk what to tell you this seems very common
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/5i46aj/onedrive_is_always_checking_for_changes_and/
https://www.reddit.com/r/onedrive/comments/oiix8t/high_cpu_and_ram_without_syncing_file_what_happen/
Tons of videos on YouTube about it too.
I shouldn’t have to say, for a software I never installed or wanted, “well okay I’m not allowed to append to logs to documents, or use documents for any game files that might change often, and if I’m unlucky to have onedrive be in a bugged state or they break it with an update then I will have 30% cpu usage forever unless I fix it. And also I will have to uninstall it every 6 months which might leave my file explorer in a broken state.” If this happened with a software I WANTED and installed myself, I would still complain but probably say the convenience is worth it. But it is being forced on me and the literal only reason I know about it is from it giving me 50% cpu usage and other friends having similar problems, for something they don’t want and never wanted.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is… brave.
My mistake ill go tell my friend he’s just not allowed to use his mouse because a commentor on lemmy said it’s not his computer so he can’t run what he wants on it, especially not the OEM software that his mouse requires.
Onedrive seems to sync documents by default, which means any games that write log files there will be constantly syncing any time they append a little to the end of the file.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/m8luww/pause_one_drive_sync_while_you_play_it_completely/
True sorry I meant malware, it tries to reinstall itself and tries to make uninstalling more difficult, while also being a massive cpu hog while the user is unaware (and hasn’t opened it once).
https://windowsreport.com/onedrive-high-cpu/
Ah even better it breaks itself because of telemetry logs and then takes up massive amounts of cpu in order to do nothing because it’s in a broken state. Search onedrive high cpu usage to see how common this is, happened to me too (never opened it one time). Great software that I have had to remove from 5 different people’s computers because it was either in a broken state or they played a game that was massively slowed down by a program they had not installed, didn’t even know was installed, and they had not opened or used ever. Lucky them they got to experience it twice after onedrive reinstalled itself after an update!
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
ah yeah I figured it wasn’t quite right, I just remember seeing the codec on the details and figured it was tied to it, thanks.
I just don’t mention I’m vegan ever for these exact reasons. If I think it’ll cause a huge problem or make other people think veganism is dumb ill just eat what the person prepared, and usually just tell them I’m not a big fan of chicken/steak/whatever.
With a multivitamin which doctors recommend everyone takes anyway you don’t really have to care much about supplements. If you feel like you’re nit picking over food just get what you think looks good and avoid the meat aisle, and you’re doing better than 90% of people already. Anyone trying to gatekeep that you’re not being perfect guaranteed is also not being perfect.