Ooo yeah let’s be concerned over the, what .002% of our population doing things they wanna do and being who they wanna be. Yeah that’s a big talking point when 80% of the rest of the country can’t afford rent.
Fuck. Just leave trans people alone already Jesus Christ…
I was about to say its’s 0.75% for USA, but your are probably right once you factor in how many Trans people then have to care about getting into a sport.
USA seems to think every citizen plays or watches sports.
I have had coworkers and randos ask if I saw the game last night, so I have to ask which game? They mention a football/hockey/baseball game. I reply that I don’t watch team sports. They then continue to talk about the game like I’m a decades old fan catching up on what I missed. At this stage I’ve tuned out the details and am actually wondering how their whole life centers around somebody elses accomplishments in a city they have never been to. And also wondering how they missed the cue that I’m not interested in sports.
But that is USA; identity based on guns and sports. Trans somehow becomes an attack on their identity.
The US’s sports obsession is one of the contributors to rising fascism.
The passive but passionate adherence to teams or individual competitors is a form of atavistic servility that is easily repurposed into tribalism.
I’m also concerned for their safety and wellbeing. That’s why you’re concerned, right Mrs. Harris?
…That’s why you’re concerned, right?
Concerned about, not for.
Who cares what kamala thinks or says?
She lost, quite predictably, after being annointed by establishment tools that brought us hillary and joe, and will fail us with newsom if they can.
Do not follow their lead. They are doomed to fail in unseating r’s let alone restoring society.
Pretty much. It’s another “Hey let’s demonize those nasty Democrats!” because those get clicks. Because those conservative stories about raping kids and shooting up a place doesn’t get any traction anymore.
We already know who’s most likely to rape kids and shoot places up, and it’s sure as shit not trans people. It’s just more right-wing projection.
She’s trying hard to get back in the game, so she can lose again and lock us even further into fascist rule.
Her willingness to keep showing up is reminiscent of the Washington Generals.
Oh look it’s not just Newsom and that rep from Georgia anymore. The spineless democrats are testing the waters now to see how throwing trans people under the bus will go.
It is not throwing trans people under the bus to keep trans women out of competitive female sports.
This needs to stop being a hill that people want to die on. It’s fucking rediculous to argue they should be allowed to participate in a discriminatory category we created intentionally to allow non-competitive persons to have their own competition.
Sorry trans women, theres literally one extremely specific thing you aren’t allowed to do. I support you in literally any other life endeavor, or in playing that sport recreationally or competitively in an open gender category.
It’s ridiculous your politicians are concerning themselves with school sporting or just sporting events in general.
Leave the schools and sport orgs to decide if they can compete.
There are much more serious problems to deal with than this nonsense
Separate but equal, total neolib move that’s super classy. “Your discomfort is tolerable because I don’t have to deal with it”
Also this is not the only example of dems throwing trans under the bus. The far more egregious example is newsom going on right winger podcasts and giving validity to the utter bullshit of the cass review and the idea that you shouldn’t be allowed to transition until your mid 20s (plus all the sports bullshit). Backing legislature that is anti trans too. not just sports stuff, though there is a lot of that. The NDAA banning trans care for any military children was voted in by several democrats and some states did the same for Medicaid with dem support. Texas’s bathroom bill had some dem support. Memorializing Charlie Kirk, a total shithead who was openly and vehemently anti trans. Etc
No spine, no moral code. End result is a minority class that has constant existential anxiety because one side actively wants to destroy them and the other is like “supporting you is like a whole thing, I’m just in this for the donor money”
Politicians shouldn’t be regulating sports. Period.
Sure, but many sports have banned it without the government’s intervention. So my point still stands.
Do you have examples of non government intervention here? It seems like most organizations were in the process of rewriting their rules to be more inclusive which is why conservatives turned this into a panic.
FINA (The world Swimming body) banned them a few years ago. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/19/1106173020/swimming-bans-transgender-women
World Boxing banned them recently. https://worldboxing.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/World-Boxing-Sex-Eligibility-Policy_FINAL_20Aug25.pdf
World Rugby banned them as well. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/19/1106173020/swimming-bans-transgender-women
World Athletics goes even further, banning any transgender woman who went through male puberty from rankings AND also banning some female at birth women in the ban if they have certain sex-disorders and don’t keep their testosterone levels extremely low.
I’m not sure any of these groups are writing them to be more inclusive, unless they simply had no policy before. Lots of the groups that allowed them are even increasing the restrictions, since the old guidelines around testosterone less than 10 nmol seem to have been found to be insufficient and some of those groups have dropped it to 5 instead.
Testosterone is a hell of a performance enhancing drug.
In that first article it notes that the instigating decision was the olympic comittee relaxing testosterone requirements and allowing individual sports to make determinations.
The FINA does straight up allow trans men into men’s sports. If you read the FINA policies one of the ways for a trans woman to compete is to have started puberty blockers at 12 yrs old and maintain normal female levels (less than 15 nmol) whereas the target for therapy is 50 nmol (standard male levels are 300+ with 500 being typical)
So the weird thing here is that it’s not uncommon to see cis women with ~20-30nmol especially among career athletes where they’re already selecting for oddities. The criticism here seems understandandable; I’m not sure its entirely about fairness.
I think the thing that’s crazy about that is that it basically excludes every trans person because its almost impossible to get on blockers that early.
The boxing rules are just sad. How dumb.
Its important to note though these are international orgs targetting top athletes. I’m not sure governments can regulate them. The state intervention being requested is to remove like 2k kids nationwide from like junior varsity teams.
Trans men in men’s categories is a non-issue. It’s a non-issue for a reason, they have no advantage and they’re usually at a disadvantage. There are like a half dozen famous attempts of trans men who have tried to break into competitive mens sports, and none of them have been successful at climbing the rankings or winning any significant competitions, any medals I’ve seen are like (they won silver at the 34-40 age category for Duathalon - This was Chris Mosier) where yes it’s technically competitive, but nobody is winning any prize money.
The public generally speaking doesn’t have any issue with trans men competing against men.
This is the opposite in women’s sports, despite making up such a small portion of the population, there have been more than a few instances of trans women medaling in international competition.
Lia Thomas did such a significant amount of harm to the trans image because of her choices in this regard, but she is living proof that transitioning CAN be unfair in women’s sports. When something can be unfair in competition, it needs to be banned.
At the end of the day, I wish trans women all the opportunities of the world, except competitive women’s sports.
This needs to stop being a hill that people want to die on.
This applies to you and your position at least as much as the people you’re talking about
It really doesn’t. The polling on this issue is very clear, even trans supporters aren’t very in favour of it and its causing a massive backlash against trans rights in general.
Calling women athletes “non-competitive” tells us what you think of women athletes.
There are competitive sports where gender literally doesn’t matter (like darts.) There are sports that require subdivisions within them to allow equally skilled athletes of different physiological builds to compete (boxing.)
The thing is, sports regulatory bodies were already making the decisions of how trans and intersex athletes can compete. To say that trans athletes should be kept out of all competitive female sports shows that you either have it in for trans people or you just don’t understand sports.
And no one yet has given a coherent argument for why the government should be involved.
You and I both know that women are not competitive with men in most sports. You pretending that they are (or could be) is just a bad faith argument.
The darts argument is also in bad faith, there’s no restriction in the primary darts tournament series based on gender at all, and they do not have a separate women’s category for the normal tournaments. There are a handful of women’s only events, but they are not part of the main tours in which anyone can compete.
Find me an example of a professional female boxer beating a professional male boxer within the same weight class. I’ll wait. Here’s arguably one of the best female boxers, with a 54-0 record and multiple world titles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_Rijker, She got KOed in the second round by an amateur kickboxer, who was male and 10 pounds lighter than her (1-2 weight classes down depending on the ruleset). He wasn’t as good on technique, but just cleaned her out with more speed and power anyways.
The whole point of having a women’s category is to allow fair competition. Allowing trans women to compete breaks that fairness principle. Just like any sort of doping breaks that fairness principle. If something is possibly unfair, then it’s unfair. Even if most people don’t gain an advantage, it’s still unfair. Unfairness cannot be allowed in competition, it ruins the whole thing.
You’re right that the government shouldn’t be involved, but they were getting banned by sports bodies left right and center for competing unfairly, so it’s the same outcome. The government should still back off and lets sports bodies do it, but it won’t change the inevitable outcome.
Why should I give a shit what a politician says about fucking sports, period?
Fucking spineless weathervane. No wonder she lost. Focus group driven decision making.
Everything that comes put of Kamala’s mouth concerns culture war crap. I’m convinced she’s just a MAGA sock puppet, because not only does she have no chance of winning over republican voters, but also now alienated democrat voters with this crap. Unbelievable!
Ignore her, and newsom. Jon stewart 2028.
Liberals are toast bro 🤣
This shit again? I can’t believe we’re still talking about this like it’s an issue that matters AT ALL.
And we all know, sports is the most important thing right now. Or ever.
Especially when no trans athletes are at the top of any sport they’re involved in.
It’s all about harassment of a small, vulnerable minority. It has nothing to do with fairness.
Out of all the trans issues you care about trans sports? It’s almost like you want people to hate us. Who am I kidding that’s exactly why. Fucking right wing shills in the DNC. Out of every issue with trans people, Americas by majority are supportive except for mf trans sports, because of course it’s extremely stupid, especially if you aren’t going to let kids have some hrt when they want to transition. No coincidence there. Of course that’s what they will pick to run on because the DNC is controlled by the same fucking hateful dipshits that control the rest of the state. The DNC will do everything in its power to make sure the Republicans win because they know their voters are stupid enough to help them implement a police state and mass surveillance and turn America into an autocracy. Fuck the DNC.
Don’t forget in the last election you didn’t hear a peep out of the fucking DNC only for their candidate to pull out right at the end to guarantee trump a win. That should tell you how Americans really feel. The only people who vote Republicans at this point are a few mentally retarded people and some boomers with dementia. They lie about everything.
Out of all the trans issues you care about trans sports?
Yeah, well, expressing concern about trans people being killed by Nazis might be a bit risky. Far easier to parrot inane policies developed by right-wing fanatics whose only goal in life is to hurt people.
This is why those from the soggy center should never be let into office. We need someone who’s going to clean house, and put an end to fascism and the religious right in the US and, if possible, globally, before they round us up and kill us.
Trans sports isn’t a good issue. It’s the least popular of all trans issues and also is the only actual position where the Republicans have the moral high ground. Trans issues aren’t good to run on anyways because only a bit over half of the country is in favor of trans rights outside of medical access and stuff. The bathroom stuff is more reasonable. You can have some fair laws around this, like people have to be on hormones for over a year or something before they can use the other bathroom. The trans sport things is unfortunate. There just isn’t really a good trans friendly solution that isn’t really unfair for cis students. The only way a trans person can compete fairly in women’s sports is if they are on hormones for years.
There it is. Democrats could easily walk back stances on guns and it would hurt them less than this pollster brained idiocy.
All democrats have to say is “government has more important things to do than regulate sports, there are sports commissions that have asked and answered these questions. This is politicians seeking another way to intrude upon our lives.”
Jesus fucking Christ, sports shouldn’t be a political issue at all. It’s literally a fucking game, the government and politicians shouldn’t be involved in this shit at all in the first place. We should care about as much about Kamala’s opinion on the WNBA as we do about her opinion on Minecraft. The leagues are privately-owned companies, let them run their fucking company how they want (which up to this point, has been trans-inclusive).
Agreed, but people are sooooo into sports and their teams. Sometimes I think we’ve turned politics into sports teams, making bipartisan politics harder to achieve.
Why do you think GW Bush’s daddy bought him a baseball team, and why do you think Trump was involved in WWE? The same rube-manipulation techniques that are used in sports are used in fascist politics.
only sometimes?
Generally yes. But the government also enforces civil rights, including against sex and gender discrimination, especially at public (i.e. government-funded) universities.
This ends up being very effective as a wedge issue for Republicans, because they can make shit up about the other side, and run against the lies they tell themselves, because the truthful situation is complicated and the lie is simpler to understand.
Some sports are strictly separated by gender, and some are not. Generally speaking, it’s people who administer the leagues that make that decision. Everything from pro leagues down to rec leagues will have rules based on gender, and they are created by whoever administers the leagues to foster competition.
I don’t feel qualified to know which sports confer a distinct advantage to people who go through male puberty. It certainly isn’t all of them, but there must be some where it makes sense to exclude humans who have gone through male puberty from women’s leagues. But, I don’t feel most politicians are qualified to know that, either. People who know each sport best should make that decision, based on science and the knowledge of their sport, and politicians should just butt out. But you get better soundbites by lying about it and airing grievances about it than by being rational.
It’s only a wedge issue because of people like Harris. If she had a spine and decent values, she could have explained that actually trans athletes in sports are not a serious concern, because look at the data FFS.
Did no one actually read the article past the vaguely misleading headline?
“I agree with the concerns expressed by parents and players that we have to take into account biological factors such as muscle mass and unfair student athletic advantage when we determine who plays on which teams, especially in contact sports,” Harris reportedly wrote. “With goodwill and common sense, I believe we can come up with ways to do this, without vilifying and demonizing children.”
My problem with the article is how much air Americans give to the topic of trans athletes in sports when Americans have more pressing problems. Healthcare, affordability of life, violence are real issues affecting Americans much more than sports games. I don’t think giving air to this conversation is helping Americans.
That’s the entire point of all these “culture war” issues. They’re used as distractions for more pressing matters, that the ruling class really doesn’t want to address, because they know conservatives will be outraged by them, and progressives won’t be able to just let people be victimized, for no reason. If the public tires itself out, fighting over topics like these, there’s a better chance we won’t have the energy to demand real action on more expensive things.
“with goodwill and common sense, I believe we can…”
When the folks across the aisle you’re champing at the bit to reach demonstrate goodwill and common sense, maybe you might have a ghost of a chance. Until such time, you’re validating the position that trans women have no place in established sports.
So…until then, goodwill and common sense shouldn’t apply to your approach? What policy should you adopt, until the other side decides to get their shit together?
Should we advocate for exactly the kind of hyperbolic position that Republicans use as a strawman, to argue against inclusion?
Oh, so they are going to mandate weight and height classes across the board for all sports and stop separating sport by gender?
Prior to Republicans passing laws to outright ban transgender athletes from participating altogether, they actually had standards in place for how long athletes had to be on HRT, before they were allowed to compete. By all physical accounts, this meant that those athletes had comparable muscle mass and bone densities to the gender they identified as.
What else would you expect? Even between biological girls of the same age, there are significant differences between individual athletes. Once you include training, diet and other normal genetic factors…the differences between a trans athlete on HRT and a cis athlete is actually well within those standard margins. Any advantage they might have, comes from skill and training alone.
It was more of a joke in how ridiculous it would be to implement such a system… the logistics would be crazy for team sports…
But like you said, it would be easier to just let them play…
If you want to be crazy you can add a new format for anyone, but men… and make the men’s category just open so that anyone can join…
There’s no peer-reviewed, statistically sound evidence that trans people have unfair advantages in sports.
Not that sports should matter that much.
