While I agree that feeling EMASCULATED by a vibrator is ridiculous, as men are not meant to have vibrating functionality, I think just as many women would feel just as bummed out by it if men did a similar thing. Imagine if a man only got like half of the way there fucking you, then pulled out and was like “oh quick get that super tight fleshlight out so I can cum”. Is it really so hard to understand why that might feel bad? Like sure, this fleshlight thing may be tighter than any biological vagina ever could be, but does that really make it not bother you? And even if it doesn’t bother you, wouldn’t it be nice if that wasn’t always necessary?
Because although penises aren’t meant to vibrate, and vaginas aren’t meant to squeeze like a tight fist, penises ARE “supposed” to please vaginas and vice versa, and if the literal climax of pleasure is not attainable by those means, why are we acting like that’s a silly thing to wish was different?
Don’t all people, regardless of their own sex or gender, or the gender of their partner, enjoy the idea of bringing their partner to orgasm using their own body and not a device? I have made my girlfriend orgasm manually, orally, penetratively, and with vibrators. They’re all fun ways to do it! But if we could only do it with a vibrator, I’d certainly be wishing we could get there other ways too. Is that really so silly? Each method has its own charms. So it seems very insensitive to put down these feelings, and it’s also gross to do it with a sports metaphor.
The reality is that it is generally harder for people with a vagina to achieve orgasm than for those with a penis. There are very much evolutionary reasons for that and… let’s not talk about that because it is dark as fuck.
In a perfect world? Two (or more) partners will always climax at the same time and everything will be wonderful. But that just isn’t reasonable. Maybe its been a while and one partner finishes faster. Maybe its stressful at work and you thought it would work but it just isn’t. And maybe you just kind of want the borderline sensory overload that sex toys tend to be capable of.
The reality is that partners should work towards making sure everyone orgasms as much as they want to. If that involves external stimulation with a vibrator while you have vaginal sex? Go for it. If that involves finishing someone off with a handy? Go for it. And so forth.
And if you feel that not being able to make your partner cum the way you want to is a problem? Grow the fuck up. Everyone is different and everyone responds to some stimuli better than others and that can change from week to week. If your partner really likes a vibrator? Awesome, work with that. Integrate it into the fun. Rather than get angry that they don’t want you to fingerbang them instead.
For sure for sure. I hope that my agreement with this sentiment was clear in my post. But there’s nothing about that sentiment that precludes someone from also reasonably wishing that they could bring their partner to orgasm without non-organic, non-self implements.
I’m saying, people shouldn’t be averse to using the vibrator - but just because they shouldn’t be averse to it doesn’t mean that it’s bad, dumb, or unreasonable to also wish to not always use the vibrator to orgasm or to have your partner orgasm.
The fact that its impractical doesn’t make it a shameful desire that should be eradicated. Some people wish their partner would fill them up with like, 4 cups of semen. That’s unrealistic (impossible). If they say “I don’t want to fuck you because you never produce 4 cups of semen like how I’d prefer”, then that is stupid and bad behavior, just like not making your partner orgasm with a vibrator just because you wish they didn’t need it is stupid and bad. But the wishing in itself should not be condemned.
I think the assumption that just because the wish exists, anger also exists is part of the problem that leads to condemnation of the wish. “And if you feel that not being able to make your partner cum the way you want to is a problem? Grow the fuck up.” - absolutely true, but just because someone wants their partner to cum in a different way than they actually do, doesn’t mean they see it as a problem. It may just be a desire or fantasy. Additionally, if that desire is central to their own sexual satisfaction, it doesn’t seem too unreasonable to say that that’s not wrong of them but rather an irreconcilable sexual difference. If someone really likes fingerbanging girls, but their girl hates it, that’s not a situation where either of them is in the wrong or needs to change what they’re attracted to - it’s just an incompatibility.
But the wishing in itself should not be condemned.
No. It very much should be.
A good mindset is “How can I pleasure my partner more”. A bad mindset, and what you are describing, is “Why won’t my partner orgasm the way I want to”.
The former is… a partnership. It is knowing what does and doesn’t work and communicating and adjusting.
The latter is getting angry that someone… is a someone. You know what you want to do and they don’t want to do it so that makes you angry. And that is really shitty.
Don’t get me wrong. Everyone has intrusive thoughts. The key is to realize “huh. That is really shitty. Let’s work towards not having those thoughts and never fucking tell anyone about them”.
You are still conflating “I would like it if I could make my partner orgasm with my bare hands” and “why won’t my partner orgasm the way I want to” as beliefs that must always go together. But it is totally possible to simultaneously believe and act on all the following:
How can I pleasure my partner more?
I love making my partner cum with the vibrator
I don’t expect my partner to cum the way I want them to
I would like it if I could make my partner orgasm in more ways than they currently do (i.e with my bare hands rather than a vibrator)
Isn’t it? At least, I see no reason for mutual exclusivity of these
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While I agree that feeling EMASCULATED by a vibrator is ridiculous, as men are not meant to have vibrating functionality, I think just as many women would feel just as bummed out by it if men did a similar thing. Imagine if a man only got like half of the way there fucking you, then pulled out and was like “oh quick get that super tight fleshlight out so I can cum”. Is it really so hard to understand why that might feel bad? Like sure, this fleshlight thing may be tighter than any biological vagina ever could be, but does that really make it not bother you? And even if it doesn’t bother you, wouldn’t it be nice if that wasn’t always necessary?
Because although penises aren’t meant to vibrate, and vaginas aren’t meant to squeeze like a tight fist, penises ARE “supposed” to please vaginas and vice versa, and if the literal climax of pleasure is not attainable by those means, why are we acting like that’s a silly thing to wish was different?
Don’t all people, regardless of their own sex or gender, or the gender of their partner, enjoy the idea of bringing their partner to orgasm using their own body and not a device? I have made my girlfriend orgasm manually, orally, penetratively, and with vibrators. They’re all fun ways to do it! But if we could only do it with a vibrator, I’d certainly be wishing we could get there other ways too. Is that really so silly? Each method has its own charms. So it seems very insensitive to put down these feelings, and it’s also gross to do it with a sports metaphor.
The reality is that it is generally harder for people with a vagina to achieve orgasm than for those with a penis. There are very much evolutionary reasons for that and… let’s not talk about that because it is dark as fuck.
In a perfect world? Two (or more) partners will always climax at the same time and everything will be wonderful. But that just isn’t reasonable. Maybe its been a while and one partner finishes faster. Maybe its stressful at work and you thought it would work but it just isn’t. And maybe you just kind of want the borderline sensory overload that sex toys tend to be capable of.
The reality is that partners should work towards making sure everyone orgasms as much as they want to. If that involves external stimulation with a vibrator while you have vaginal sex? Go for it. If that involves finishing someone off with a handy? Go for it. And so forth.
And if you feel that not being able to make your partner cum the way you want to is a problem? Grow the fuck up. Everyone is different and everyone responds to some stimuli better than others and that can change from week to week. If your partner really likes a vibrator? Awesome, work with that. Integrate it into the fun. Rather than get angry that they don’t want you to fingerbang them instead.
For sure for sure. I hope that my agreement with this sentiment was clear in my post. But there’s nothing about that sentiment that precludes someone from also reasonably wishing that they could bring their partner to orgasm without non-organic, non-self implements.
I’m saying, people shouldn’t be averse to using the vibrator - but just because they shouldn’t be averse to it doesn’t mean that it’s bad, dumb, or unreasonable to also wish to not always use the vibrator to orgasm or to have your partner orgasm.
The fact that its impractical doesn’t make it a shameful desire that should be eradicated. Some people wish their partner would fill them up with like, 4 cups of semen. That’s unrealistic (impossible). If they say “I don’t want to fuck you because you never produce 4 cups of semen like how I’d prefer”, then that is stupid and bad behavior, just like not making your partner orgasm with a vibrator just because you wish they didn’t need it is stupid and bad. But the wishing in itself should not be condemned.
I think the assumption that just because the wish exists, anger also exists is part of the problem that leads to condemnation of the wish. “And if you feel that not being able to make your partner cum the way you want to is a problem? Grow the fuck up.” - absolutely true, but just because someone wants their partner to cum in a different way than they actually do, doesn’t mean they see it as a problem. It may just be a desire or fantasy. Additionally, if that desire is central to their own sexual satisfaction, it doesn’t seem too unreasonable to say that that’s not wrong of them but rather an irreconcilable sexual difference. If someone really likes fingerbanging girls, but their girl hates it, that’s not a situation where either of them is in the wrong or needs to change what they’re attracted to - it’s just an incompatibility.
No. It very much should be.
A good mindset is “How can I pleasure my partner more”. A bad mindset, and what you are describing, is “Why won’t my partner orgasm the way I want to”.
The former is… a partnership. It is knowing what does and doesn’t work and communicating and adjusting.
The latter is getting angry that someone… is a someone. You know what you want to do and they don’t want to do it so that makes you angry. And that is really shitty.
Don’t get me wrong. Everyone has intrusive thoughts. The key is to realize “huh. That is really shitty. Let’s work towards not having those thoughts and never fucking tell anyone about them”.
You are still conflating “I would like it if I could make my partner orgasm with my bare hands” and “why won’t my partner orgasm the way I want to” as beliefs that must always go together. But it is totally possible to simultaneously believe and act on all the following:
Isn’t it? At least, I see no reason for mutual exclusivity of these