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“I want to make the world a better place at no real benefit to myself”
“Ok, but only if you beg us for the money”
Modern academia in a nutshell
Yeah, in a lot of fields it simply would pay more to go private lmao
Still, it feels more rewarding to contribute to the scientific body than to just make someone else rich
So, if your field appears instantly/imminently monetisable, then the private sector is an option. However, the wider benefits of your research are VERY unlikely to reach the wider public in your lifetime. Yes, you will basically be working to make someone else rich. However, this kind of grant is very likely to succeed in academic settings as universities love patents.
If you’re doing abstract or fundamental research, you’re pretty much out of luck - the private sector does not want anything to do with this. However, it’s little better in the academic sector because you have to spend almost all your time chasing grants, or teaching topics outside your expertise (i.e. the ones industry sees immediate value in) to survive.
In short, there is a lot of options to finish things (because everyone loves intellectual property as an asset), but very few to develop them (no-one likes to pay for the groundwork).
There has to be a better way.
Medicine is already this better way (in countries with social healthcare systems). A body of highly trained specialists who constantly update their knowledge through research, conferences and reading the last scientific advancements, and don’t necessarily earn extremely high salaries but have a comfortable life and a stable employment. We could expand this model to all sciences.
What country would that be in? Because where I live (Germany), medical researchers face pretty much the same challenges as researchers in other fields.
I meant medical physicians, not particularly researchers. My point is we could apply the healthcare model, i.e. a body of highly trained professionals working on exchange for a wage without the need for constant evaluation of metrics, relying on social value of medicine instead of grants as motivation.
They’re not making anything better for the world, just for some individuals
Huh?
I know, but there isn’t. Capitalism is the only best thing we’ve tried, certainly the best no other way to do it, please don’t try the socialism thing. 😔
UBI is the least we can do, but more is necessary. It makes job searching way less painful
“Capitalism breeds innovation”
Sir, this is fascism
Fascism is capitalist
So EU is fascist?
No, I didn’t say capitalism is necessarily fascist.
But fascism is inherently capitalist and reactionary.
Fascism is one of the directions for the development of capitalist society.
Innovative ways to beg for money ;)
This makes two of us. I’m unlikely to be deported, still…
This is from before the election. They’re probably LONG gone by now.
Ooh, just wait til it becomes ‘not publishing or speaking about something that will get you labelled a communist and publicly shot’.
That one is coming soon.
As a communist actively working on a history degree with plans to go into academia I am super hyped for this future haha
It would be nice to get the communism whilst skipping the being shot step for a change.
Alas, our chains are not so easily broken. Even the idea of doing so begets violent suppression. I wish it were possible but the last guy who accomplished a socialist state through electoralism got bombed and replaced by a fascist.
Democracy is weak against fascism. That’s a lot of our current problem, and why democracies slip into fascism whilst moving towards socialism is harder.
There are ways to fix that, but they require an educated populace. And that’s why fascists work so hard to keep us misinformed.
This is why I work for the army (not the US!). They offered me a permanent contract. I’ve been fighting for funding for the past 30 years and it’s become pretty much impossible. My last job was supposed to become permanent and the government cut funding after 2 years instead.
Not doing anything explodey, by the way, just researching how to deal with mass emergency events.
Something something disaster capitalism. You have my sympathy, I sometimes fill on Natural Disaster classes.
Honestly, to this guy, why bother staying in the States?
As much as I absolutely hate China, at least there they respect science and research and are actually and actively recruiting foreigners and poaching immigrant Americans. Also European countries are recruiting too.
As an American, escape while you can.
As someone not from the US, it’s mostly the same thing minus deportations. Dk how ubiquitous it is in particular, but grants seem to be the primary source of funding in many places, and the publish or perish culture is pretty much everywhere.
Kind of a shitty thing to post and title “woml womp womp”
It’s self depreciating lol, this is currently what’s on my brain with worry.
People like OP are the reason ICE exists
I’m the immigrant lmao.
Why didn’t we just have people that apply for grants, then people who work on research. Of course the person that applies for the grant should be familiar with the capabilities, and verify the proposal is sound before applying.
artists making commercial stuff just to survive be like: first time?
I don’t get it…
Imagine socialised science or well funded theoretical physics. Why can’t other science be like that, where one can dedicate themselves to doing science, instead of seeking money with which to do the science
This comes to me as one more reason that people from academia are more commonly socialist.
Many know that what they experience permeates all places, and at the same time, it’s the academia where it hurts the most.
This is also how county government works, and part of why the US road system is a mess.
