The best one I’ve ever heard is they like the Microsoft wallpapers. Yes i told them you can use them on linux too. But they argued with me that they wouldn’t be compatible.
“I like Windows”
Lol, no you don’t.
You just don’t like Mac, and don’t know what an alternative would look like.
“I’m too stupid.”
People want to be ignorant about computers, they try really hard.
Last week I was told that someone I know was going to install windows 11 instead of Linux because they worry about privacy…
I’d like to legitimately know the possible rationalization that came to that conclusion
My thought is that they must be doing this just to get under people’s skin, it is so aggressively stupid it has to be some sort of contrarian shit.
This is the BS I came to this thread for!
They also went and bought a TPM module… You know for privacy…
I can not fathom it, they are going from windows 7 to 11… same hardware.
😓
Lack of new viruses, malware, ransomware. /s
I have a lot of geek/nerd friends who know their way around it, but the one excuse I’ve seen, for anyone who has heard of it, is the stigma that you have to use the terminal and need to be a “programmer”. Which is why, for those people, I just call it Mint Operating System.
I have a friend in IT who spent a couple hours researching Windows 10 LTSC and then installing it, running the masgrave script, then running all the debloat scripts… instead of just installing Bazzite or CachyOS because “I don’t want to have to use the command line for everything”.
And then we (Linux users in general) get called elitists for trying to educate them 😂.
I don’t have a computer to try it on and I can’t be without a computer.
Oh here, take a Linux laptop from my giant box of Linux laptops!
Old laptop? Linux! I do the same thing on laptops people give me when they are done with them
People are … done with laptops? And they just… give them to you?
They think its better than throwing them in the trash and they have a misguided notion that I will actually use the computer when they give it to me
“It doesn’t have the Microsoft store” he said; after which my friend and I facepalmed so hard that it might have caused us a concussion.
One of my favourite things about Mint is that it has a Software Center with ratings and reviews. It’s what tipped me over from installing Zorin OS.
ZorinOS is just inferior in every aspect tbh. I had it and then I started using mint instead of it. Zorin is laggy, consumes too much ram even when idle, and looks like an unfinished product in its current form. I actually had more trouble using Zorin than using Mint as a new Linux user.
I can’t think of a good story from personal experience, so I’ll share a wild objection from some guy on the internet from, I think 2007. The story pops into my head from time to time. This guy insisted that it would be impossible to create an entire OS that can run from start to finish without the resources of a major software company. He argued that therefore Linux must actually be a pirated, reskinned version of Windows. https://danielandrade.net/posts/linux-windows-misconceptions-tech-story/
I checked the Wayback machine to try to find more messages from that thread because I think he kept posting and doubling down. But pulling up ancient ZDNet forum posts is slow enough that I gave up.
He’s not entirely wrong:
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called " xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people’s computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people’s stereos to steal their music, using the “mp3” program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as “telnet”, which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
To be fair, nowadays the Linux kernel does rely quite a bit on resources from major software (and hardware) companies.
Apple tried to create their own system for years but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.
That person can’t be real…
It was a quote from the story. 😑
What is happening, what is it you think I said? Why did you come back a day later and make a second irrelevant comment?
I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.
If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without Windows.
The naivety.
No biggie here. Just one of the pawns in MS’s FUD tactics.
Omg please kill me 😭
The only people I know that I’ve not been able to convince are absolutely attached to their competitive shooters. That seems to be the last bastion for many.
I’ve tried to explain (in very subtle ways) that their lives would genuinely be better off without those types of games reeling them in, but it’s a genuine addiction for them.
I have a friend who won’t leave windows because of League…in fact when we work on projects together I often have symlinks in my repo and he won’t even turn on developer mode to deal with them because it means if he wants to play league he has to restart his computer since it breaks the anti-cheat…so I have to make sure to desymlinkify any repo I expect him to clone…it’s cursed how much of a hold a stupid game can have.
Doesn’t git use some kind of shim for symlinks on Windows? So they don’t break when committing back in.
No idea, I use mercurial mostly
Just tell him to make a Linux VM for it.
Similar here - The grip League of Legends has on people is terrifying.
As a gamer myself I don’t think it’s appropriate to try to deprive someone of a hobby that they genuinely enjoy. As a long-time Linux user I stick to games that work well on Linux, like Overwatch. But unfortunately games aren’t interchangeable - if League is your thing, Dota might not be an acceptable substitute.
Better to argue for dual booting than to try to cut off a friend’s personal relationship with their game.
There’s a difference between someone who likes poker and someone who has a gambling problem.
The same thing exists in games. It could be a reliance on gambling or other addictive behavior, it could be the game generates online toxicity, or something else. Either way, if it’s becoming a problem it needs to be addressed.
Even if that game is toxic waste?
“I deal with enough tinkering on computers at work, when I get home I just want it to work” Proceeds to spend hours getting mod packs installed on games they play for a week, month tops
That’s actually not as crazy though. Linus himself said people don’t install operating systems, it’s not what most people want to do in their free time.
We have our own version in linux too. Arch/Gentoo/NixOS, neovim/hyprland/kitty unixporn evangelists who clearly have a very different idea of what’s worth spending time on, compared to the average user. Like gosh, ubuntu, konsole and vscode work perfectly fine too!
I use Arch. I’m a beginner. It has been super easy.
You just need the right distro. Arch can be easy too.
I installed arch myself too. But i still don’t see what benefits it brings over the simple GUI installers from Debian or Fedora. Just click a few buttons and I’m done. What was the point of all the complexity of arch installer anyway? I develop open source linux programs too, the arch installer stuff has very little relation to the actual development of linux projects. I don’t see much reason for it, it’s complexity for the sake of it. Just use a GUI installer and be done with it.
Garuda is an Arch distro and has a simple GUI installer.
Yeah, you can still raw dog Arch, but you don’t have to.
Once you get arch going it’s super easy with very few issues and just about zero lag and bugs. I’ve been using Linux since 08 and I almost forgot how to install Linux because I’ve been on the same arch install for the last few years and I quit trying to get other people on Linux because I’m tired of sounding like an evangelist and tired of people’s stupid excuses.
I guess I’m jaded.
Regarding Ubuntu, its cousin Mint is even more regular user friendly, as is ZorinOS.
Doesn’t seem ridiculous enough.
They probably expect the OS to “just work”, so that they can work on other things that don’t just work.
A little BS though, but understandable.
“Will I get attached to a subscription for it or something?”
“It’s not a subscription service!”
“Oh, okay… well, I don’t know… I don’t want to get a virus on it.”
“You can’t get viruses on it!”
“It’s not gonna make me wanna have sex, is it?”
“It makes sex even better!”
“Sounds kind of expensive.”
“It’s the cheapest operating system there is.”
Can I get a little sweet leaf right between my teeth?
At that level, might as well not try persuasion.
“Too many choices”…
I recently bought a new computer and decided to go Linux only. And because it was a new computer, it’s bleeding edge. I got the 9950X3D, I got 64 gigs of DDR5, I got the 5090. And by all measures, it is a fantastic machine.
That being said, getting Linux working on it flawlessly was a several day long adventure.
The motherboard has a driver for its 5 gigabit ethernet connection and I have 10 gig in the house so I assumed that it would work flawlessly out of the box, and instead it was only working at like 100 megabits.
The actual fix involved learning a new set of commands to modprobe in the correct driver after downloading it from the site, which was much more difficult than I feel like it needed to be.
That being said, I’m not a Linux noob. I have used Linux in servers for a decade now, easily, and I’ve never run into quite this level of difficulty getting hardware to work correctly.
And ultimately what I ended up doing was installing LM Studio and an abliterated AI so that I could throw all of the errors that konsole was spitting at me into the AI and let it work it out, which worked a treat once I realized I had the ability to do that.
I have the same layout except an older 3090 instead of a 5090. I had compatibility issues until I switched to Bazzite. Seems Fedora based distros work better with new hardware compared to Ubuntu based ones. It’s worked so well I finally straight up deleted windows entirely.
If I may ask, which distro did/do you have on it?
I tried a bunch, but I have settled on Kubuntu.
Id like to know why CRD hates linux so much since he seems to be a really smart dude.
This post is fairly problematic. Do not push people into Linux. You don’t need to go around promoting it like a Linux evangelical. People can use whatever they want.
They’re just having fun
