Pope Leo XIV’s post-operation recovery is proceeding as expected after a “successful” surgery to remove part of his right lung which was found to have a cancerous growth, according to the Vatican.
Well, if you’re arguing from the position of god not exiting in the first place, then the counterargument could be that god decided to give the pope lung cancer to test him and thus make him a stronger man. If he dies from the cancer then… well… It’s still god’s plan. Sorry, you lose either way (heavy, HEAVY sarcasm meant)
Yep, a classic: suffering is part of God’s plan. The real question is whether God could pull off his grand plan with less suffering. Is it really necessary to give infants leukemia to accomplish his goal? If yes, he’s not all powerful. If no, he’s an asshole. Then they sidestep to free will and sin, at which point you ask them who decided the consequences of sin in the first place.
The Christian response would be that God’s plan is always right. Even apart from that, I don’t think the lifespan of a pope would imply that God did something “wrong”. It’s not like the pope is getting picked to rule for as long as possible or something. It’s not like a monarchy where people say things like “this dynasty shall rule for a thousand generations!”
so, uhh, god’s plan was wrong, huh?
Well, if you’re arguing from the position of god not exiting in the first place, then the counterargument could be that god decided to give the pope lung cancer to test him and thus make him a stronger man. If he dies from the cancer then… well… It’s still god’s plan. Sorry, you lose either way (heavy, HEAVY sarcasm meant)
Yep, a classic: suffering is part of God’s plan. The real question is whether God could pull off his grand plan with less suffering. Is it really necessary to give infants leukemia to accomplish his goal? If yes, he’s not all powerful. If no, he’s an asshole. Then they sidestep to free will and sin, at which point you ask them who decided the consequences of sin in the first place.
Children’s bone cancer is my go to, but yeah
Image of bone cancer. Not gore, but looks incredibly painful
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The Christian response would be that God’s plan is always right. Even apart from that, I don’t think the lifespan of a pope would imply that God did something “wrong”. It’s not like the pope is getting picked to rule for as long as possible or something. It’s not like a monarchy where people say things like “this dynasty shall rule for a thousand generations!”
You realize the types you’re making fun of would just say he’s being punished for not being MAGA enough, right?