“Try to interfere” does make a lot more sense than the idea that they’re the ones to blame for it.
Whilst Britain’s fuckups are mainly homegrown, it makes total sense that an adversary which tends to do that kind of thing would try and nudge them along.
I fear none of us paid anywhere near as much attention to Eastern Europe as we should have.
Given how tight the result was it is not unreasonable to believe that Russia tight tip the scale. It idms not certain but entirely possible.
UK just realized this now? im pretty sure it was known since 2016, and every since then.
Try or did?
Did successfully
It was 52% to 48%. They could have flipped the outcome.
I wonder how he can say it had little impact
It wasn’t even binding. Getting the politicians to enforce it was the real crime.
Yeah, this is the tough part. Even if they only influenced 2% of the vote, that was enough to make or break it.
Reactionary Media is the UK’s largest international export. Everyone loves to throw a fit over Vladimir Putin. Nobody wants to acknowledge Rupert Murdoch, Robert Maxwell, Jonathan Harmsworth, or Paul Marshall.
Same with the damned yankees. You’re choking yourself to death on home grown AI slop fresh off the Mark Zuckerberg Shrimp Jesus Machine, but it’s evil foreigners who are to blame when you elect a new Ronadl Reagan.
I agree with what you’re saying but this is not the thread to complain about our own billionaires influence. It just comes across as tanky.
You know something’s wrong when you can’t even comment on an attack by a hostile nation without someone using the phrase “evil foreigners” in a sarcastic accusatory tone to make everyone think of racism to try and dismiss the accusation.
Honestly, I wish everyone loved to throw a fit over Putin. Seems like the west is mostly ignoring him, or secretly on his side. Same with western media. But I’m sure it wouldn’t feel that way if you were on Russia’s side.
Also, “Reactionary Media”? Are you implying Russia is some kind of progressive here?
Rupert Murdock
One notes the glaring absence of Cambridge Analytica from the discussion, and quoting a BBC article, even Wikipedia insists:
In 2020, the British Information Commissioner’s Office closed a three-year inquiry into the company, concluded that Cambridge Analytica was “not involved” in the 2016 Brexit referendum and found no additional evidence for Russia’s alleged interference during the campaign.
But look further, and Brexit is all through the Wikipedia page, including this:
Cambridge Analytica did work for the UK’s LeaveEU Brexit campaign during the 2016 EU Referendum which they denied.
And then:
CA became involved in the 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum (Brexit) supporting “persuadable” voters to vote for leaving the European Union. Articles by Carole Cadwalladr in The Observer and Guardian newspapers, respectively published in February and May 2017, speculated in detail that CA had influenced both the Brexit/Vote Leave option in the UK’s 2016 EU membership referendum and Trump’s 2016 US presidential campaign, with Robert Mercer’s backing of Donald Trump being key. They also discuss the legality of using the social data farmed.
In 2016 the Russians and the world oligarchs were throwing EVERYTHING they had at Brexit. No “try” about it. They DID interfere.
What’s the difference between trying and doing?
It’s less embarrasing to admit they were trying.
“Doing” implies at least some level of success, while “trying” doesn’t.
Or perhaps confirmed success. And “trying” means “we saw signs of it, but haven’t confirmed its impact or if our mitigations worked” (or “don’t want to confirm”)
Russia tried, Cambridge Analitica did
Potato potato.
This is much funnier to read than to hear
The whole thing was their idea.
Something tells me it’s actually just a “did”, considering the thing happened and now it’s getting brought up.
Russia always be up in someone’s business
The big three, Russia, USA, and China are all the way up everyone’s ass at the moment.
Uncle Vladiping Poopin
I don’t understand why everyone buys the whole West vs East thing. They’re clearly on the same side.
It is indeed an unspoken alliance right now. I am getting the feeling that the wealthy are beyond nations at this point and it is just a game to fuck with everyone else.
