Time to start hyper enforcing spending limits for Canadians travelling to and bringing back stuff from the US. Tax the hell out of them!
I didn’t see the “at war” part in the full text of the speech, and I don’t rememer hearing it when I watched it. Perhaps it was in response to one of the questions after the speech?
Yes, it was in response to a question from the NatPo reporter.
I think Canada, Iran and most of the rest of the world have figured out that Trump is six months away from being the lamest of ducks and two and a half years of being out of office entirely. Wait for the storm of insanity to pass and deal with the aftermath then.
The next President of the USA will definitely have to go on a serious suck butt tour to heal the damage this administration is causing…
This mentality that it will just be over after four years is driving me up the wall
Why? The forces behind MAGA and Trump have been part of most democracies their entire history. They percolate up every one in a while then disappear into the background noise until next time. McCarthyism looked like the end of the world as well just to disappear just as fast as it came about. Cults of personality rarely outlast the death or disgrace of the founder.
You’re talking as if MAGA will just disappear the moment Trump gets ousted. It won’t.
MAGA makes up the majority of the Republican party. And their criticism of Trump is not about democratic decline, rampant corruption or ICE, but about inflation, Iran and the general consensus that Trump is not being true to his word.
Far right influences have been steadily gaining ground within the Republican party for over two decades. And by this point the leading ideology within the party is anti-democratic, anti-free speech, racist and imperialist. There are no moderate Republicans just waiting backstage to steer their party back to the way it was.
Instead we have a whole cadre of ideologically motivated crazies who are more than able to carry the project further after Trump is finally ousted.
What do mean by majority? 51% is a hell of a lot different than 80%. I think much of MAGA is more populist than ideological. Some will disappear, some will follow the next populist to come a long and that populist could have different ideas that they latch on to. Compare the “tea party” of Ron Paul to the co-opted Tea Party that came later…
We’ve already seen that story. And Biden did make amends but didn’t remove all of the shitty things Trump did. And ultimately the US went back to Trump.
Maybe there might be a reasonable person as President in 2029. But even if that’s the case, we need to assume there will be another President like Trump (or worse) in 2033.
We have to consider the possibility that post-civil rights US was the outlier, not the norm. The US may be just reverting back to it’s true self, a violent nation dominated by racism.
True of all democracies. Canada has it’s share of fruitcakes and could suffer a similar insanity and elect one…
Yeah, which is why people were pretty forgiving of Americans after Trump’s first term. People get scammed by a con man, just a bump in the road of democracy.
Then the idiots elected him again.
You can be fooled once, but then you’d expect people to learn. If you do it twice… well then we need to assume that Americans weren’t actually fooled by Trump. Trump represents who Americans really are. We should also assume Americans will elect someone like Trump (or worse) in the future. Americans are generally narcissistic assholes that can never admit they’re wrong. They generally believe in American superiority. So they vote in someone that represents that.
I assumed that after Jan 6, there was no possibility Trump could ever be elected again. That would require people who voted for Biden saw Trump try to throw out their votes, and then decide they would vote for Trump in the next election. There’s no way that could happen, right? But it did. So we all had to reconsider how we think of Americans after that.
Trump is the symptom of a much bigger problem. The US has a massive cultural problem. That’s not something that changes in one election cycle.
What electing Trump the second time exposed is that he is the real face of Americans, not some aberration. They care about ‘me, myself and I’ only. They only start to care about laws and policies if it negatively affects them personally. Even then, they will not do anything more than complain if anything more requires an ounce of work that might interfer with their online activities, gaming, watching sports, etc.
Team Canada, let’s gooo 🇨🇦
Sadly I think there will be record iPhone sales in Canada this year.
Probably an increase in netflix and Disney streaming revenue too unless there is a tax placed on the streamers.
Most Canadians aren’t pretty oblivious and politically unaware and lack the grit and determination of their forefathers.
I’m afraid we have much of the apathy and same political problems of the US just to a slightly lesser degree.
I’ve cancelled Netflix, Amazon Prime, I would’ve cancelled Disney too, but I was never subscribed to that. If I want to watch US movies and TV shows it’s no problem to just pirate them.
I can get most things shipped to me from nearby stores in about two days so there actually isn’t much need for Amazon.
At the grocery store, I’ve noticed more Canadian made products on the shelves, and they’re easy to spot because it’s the ones that aren’t permanently on sale. The US made products have to be sold at a discount to entice people to buy them. So that’s an indicator that I’m not the only one boycotting the US.
I’ve tried to have my vacation within Canada, but unfortunately I couldn’t. That’s because all of the hotels in Canada are booked solid. So I don’t think I’m the only one wanting to vacation within Canada.
Don’t pretend that everyone else in Canada is apathetic just because you are. If you want to be apathetic about this, that’s on you.
I’ve done a pretty good job of eliminating most American products from my life, but a few have slipped back in or maybe were missed, this just strengthens my resolve and I will do another review of everything I do.
I’ve discovered lots of great Canadian products, hardbite chips, Tough duck clothing, all sorts of alchohol, Presidents choice products are surprisingly good all around. Coke is the only tricky one for us, but atleast it’s canned in Canada and is more of an international brand now.
No offense… But you can’t live without Coke? Other colas are that inferior?
I haven’t found a single cola that comes close to coke. Even coke zero tastes horrible comparatively.
This is obviously very subjective.
Sounds like your taste buds have adapted after years of drinking the same thing
I have the same issue work Aldi’s knock off Red Bull. Even real Red Bull doesn’t taste right anymore
I’m sure that’s what it is. Very sensitive to changes in things that I like.
Maybe it will help if you think of “living in a peaceful, sovereign, strong nation” as something you also like, as that is changing too. Then decide how important each thing is to you.
Its a coke, buddy. Chill.
The dude has clearly already made huge, direct changes to his purchasing to cut out American products. He got 99% of the way there.
No need to shame him with “buying a coke means you dont want a sovereign Canada” type rhetoric because it just makes you and your goal look ridiculous. It reads like “you used a plastic straw so you want to watch the earth burn” level of wacky.
Take the win you already have on this one.
That’s not the same person
Besides quoting the wrong person, try to bear in mind it doesn’t make sense to argue “it’s a coke buddy, chill” and then argue that it’s somehow a big enough deal to spend time defending.
It’s either “just a coke” or it isn’t. I totally agree. It IS just a coke. That’s exactly my point.
I get it for sure. Coke is good.
But honestly it’s a bit maddening to me if someone can seriously claim it’s too hard to eliminate it/replace it.
Don’t mean to be harsh, but to those people…suck it up?
not just coke we trusted america on all the brands. we thought we were good neighbours. many people traded in their blackberry for an iphone. canada has alot work to do.
Fuck Coke, they discontinued Minute Maid frozen juice and laid off a bunch of people at their Canadian plant.
I have also found coke challenging to fully eliminate. I have cut back, but it’s just so convenient and I am maybe a little habituated to it.
It’s a soft drink.
It’s not even something we’re supposed to be drinking at all.
Is Canadian sovereignty really less valuable than consuming this? Do we even deserve sovereignty if that’s the case?
I am only saying that Coke is something I have personally found to be extremely difficult to cut out.
I don’t need the lecture.
Giving up one specific soft drink is a pretty small ask. Especially if the ask is "try to drink another cola if it’s that important to you. Sorry if it seems preachy but I can’t reconcile in my mind how that is a hard thing. I mean if it’s your favorite thing in the entire world and it brings you true joy and happiness, then sure, maybe? But it HAS to be Coca Cola, absolutely nothing else could possibly do?
Pop doesn’t play a huge role in my life, so maybe it’s just not possible for me to put myself in your shoes. But I think we’re proper fucked if that is anything resembling most Canadians’ willingness to sacrifice anything.
So dude posts this:
I’ve done a pretty good job of eliminating most American products from my life, but a few have slipped back in or maybe were missed, this just strengthens my resolve and I will do another review of everything I do.
I’ve discovered lots of great Canadian products, hardbite chips, Tough duck clothing, all sorts of alchohol, Presidents choice products are surprisingly good all around. Coke is the only tricky one for us, but atleast it’s canned in Canada and is more of an international brand now.
Where he lists a half dozen things hes shifting to buy Canadian, and also that he is constantly thinking and trying to shift the rest of his purchasing to Canada.
After reading that, you think a half dozen comments about soda pop and then this bat shit line:
But I think we’re proper fucked if that is anything resembling most Canadians’ willingness to sacrifice anything
Is somehow justified?
Zeolatry isn’t an argument, my dude. You come off as maniacal when youre attacking someone who is 99% onboard with your platform already. I fully support slapping the fuck out of the US here, but you’ve gone round and then off the bend, mate.
suggesting someone to drink another soft drink is LITERALLY maniacal attacks
so true bestie
Clearly I’ve got a date with The Hague coming down the line
That’s not the same person
Please no, if there’s anyone on the planet I don’t want to face in a war it’s the Canadians
They don’t have nukes but we share a 3000 mile border with them, they speak the same language and can imitate us even more easily than Ukraine can with Russians, they also have guns although they don’t need them to sabotage our infrastructure.
Meanwhile Trump and Lutnick treat fucking North Korea with more respect than our own allies. These motherfuckers should be tried for treason.
I’m not worried about Canada nuking us, for once they’d have to worry about our smoke coming over the border (joke, love you guys, cali wildfire smoke sucks too)
I’m just scared aboutwhat happens when you mix an apple and an FPV drone
Geneva Convention about to get another page added
We are nice…….until we aren’t.
Yeah, we may joke about Canada being America’s hat, but you all practically invented war crimes before they were war crimes.
I don’t want to fuck with that.
Yeah, we may joke about Canada being America’s hat
The U.S. is and will always be Canada’s gut.
In this analogy I pity Mexico’s position and general shape.
It also implies Belize and Guatemala are shit.
What does that make florida?
I wish my Florida was bigger…
That’s very fair.
Well, the good news is that Canadians don’t have to go back to drinking American pißwasser
I wish the EU would be inspired by Carney.
EU and Canada have been making deals to take the sting out of this trade war. They knew it was inevitable. Trump always comes back to demand more.
The bar isn’t high… while he isn’t PiPi PooPoi (Polievre) he’s been a typical politician snake. Particularly on climate policy, doubling down on pipelines through Indigenous land, and whatever the fuck a Minister of AI is.
A minister of AI makes sense, you can’t just ignore it.
A stable economic environment allows for us to make investments today that pay off in the future, but in a war like environment you need to mobilize the infrastructure you have and build support around it. Whether we like it or not we have a number of valuable resources in the ground and we need to start moving those resources elsewhere so we can invest in a renewable future.
There’s a lot of stuff I disagree with Carney on, but what I appreciate about him is that he is a pragmatist. He understands that at times you have to put your personal values aside and take the action that makes the most sense.
Winston Churchill was a racist, but he had the balls to take on Germany and not bend. Lincoln hindered post war reconstruction and his authoritarian overreach was unprecedented but he was the only person willing to tear a nation apart to rebuild it.
Leaders need to be able to put themselves aside to make decisions that produce the most utility for those they lead. This means occasionally getting pie on your face or going against your own heart. A snake acts dishonestly with malice, that’s not what’s going on here. Our current circumstances demand pragmatism we can’t crucify the only person in the room willing to act like one in the face of that.
I agree with what you said, but gotta nitpick on the Lincoln example. Lincoln explicitly did not want to tear the US apart when he became President. He was an abolitionist but his goal was a peaceful transition away from slavery over generations. This moderate stance was unacceptable to the Southern states and so they went to war because they wanted slavery to be permanent and for it to be spread.
lol you’re right but it doesn’t flow as nicely.
Ima big Lincoln fan, greatest leader of all time IMO
This was really well put, thanks!
Socialism, not pragmatism my friend. Comparing him to Churchill doesn’t make much sense as he’s way less enthusiastic. And typical man on the internet justifying racism for the sake of economic gain. As a climate scientist, renewable now. GTFO with your oil and gas.
I don’t think you understood a single word of what I said.
Unlike the previous tariffs, the new U.S. measures affect a more varied array of business sectors, although they disproportionately target building materials like plywood as well as tissue used for toilet paper, which are significant exports for the forestry industry.
Jokes on us, I guess, since you don’t need TP if you’re in diapers.
Urges Canadians to resist?
That’s what we elected you for! Do the fucking resisting, Mark!
I’m sure the article was more nuanced than that but the paywall hit me after the first paragraph.
I think conscientious Canadians need to realize that it’s their fight too. If you’re not boycotting everything American, then you are playing into the hands of the bully.
Ya know, you could read the full speech at a Canadian news source: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-full-remarks-us-trade-talks-suspended-9.7317033
We aren’t going to win by acting like lazy Americans and thinking some “great man” populist is going to fix everything for us. We all have to make an effort to take the bastards down.
Resist the urge to fly to Vegas and spend all your money there. Resist any people wearing red hats and manic looks.
The resisting he’s doing is taking the form of 1. not making a bad deal and 2. imposing retaliatory tariffs. If you want him to declare literal war on the USA you might need to write him a letter and tell us how that goes.
I’m pretty sure a majority of Canadians have been resisting far more than Carney has since his tenure began.
