This is why it will take decades to undo the damage to the reputation of the United States on the world stage.
The world cannot count on Americans to vote for sanity.
I think it was pretty perceptive of people that they can notice us being trapped in a slow decline and voting for chaos to get us off this path for better or worse.
Same thing happened in 2016. When people are disillusioned they vote for change, when the Democrats don’t offer positive change then they vote for the Republicans who always cause negative change.
From the outside looking in, I’m waiting for evidence that Americans want to scrub fascism out of their politics.
I’m not optimistic.
The problem is the people voting for the fascists don’t see it as that and are told by their chosen propaganda outlets that it isn’t fascism, it’s actually the people on the other side who want to do such horrible horrible things like: provide access to affordable childcare. Gasp!
There’s also a lack of understanding of the concept of fascism as related to corporate subservience which a lot of Democrats could be guilty of as well. Unfortunately the shitforbrains SCOTUS ruled corporations are people, money is political speech, and a person’s political speech can’t be limited: unlimited spending for campaigns.
Oh, the rest of the world sees sees the wilful ignorance, and the considerable funds that go into entrenching it.
We also see that Americans don’t consider the above to be sufficient reason to show up to vote against heavy handed social engineering designed to harm them.
The rest of the world is at the mercy of every fucking American election cycle, left with fading hope that Americans will pull their heads out of their asses.
Hopefully they isolate themselves so much that the rest of the world will be influenced less by their election cycle.
Even if people are misinformed or don’t understand the concept of fascism, they still voted for a rapist. If you vote for a rapist, you are a bad person. You can’t spin it any other way. Rape isn’t that difficult to understand.
Fucking NPR goddammit.
The survey of almost 9,000 voters was conducted in the weeks after the 2024 presidential election.
You don’t see any problems with that?
How could they have gotten this information without literally asking everyone in the country?
Statistics is hard.
I’m just saying that a good chunk of nonvoters have never voted, so there is no preexisting pattern to predict what they would do. For the last 4 elections, the polls have been largely incorrect. It just seems like a massive assumption to say if every single person voted, he still would have won, particularly when you consider the statistical anomalies in the swing states this last election.
The polls said 48% tie with a 3% error margin
It ended up 49.8% to 48.3% which is within the error margin
https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2024/11/13/were-2024-election-polls-wrong-ucr-expert-weighs
The sample size for this survey was 9 times more than usual.
This is accurate data.
I have yet to understand how surveys compensate for most people ignoring unknown phone calls or texts. The ones who do answer are not representative of the total population.
I know some of people who were hit by scam surveys the last year, which are common too. Those scams scare some people away even from snail mail invites.
I think until these methods explained slowly, in small words, I am going to assume this is biased to older and more gullible , those who drift towards Trump.
This one has a pre-cleared set of respondents who want to take polls.
Which is weird. But then math makes it good. Trust us, bro.
Right, but that is a survey of the type of people who answer surveys. I have to wonder how many people who don’t bother to vote also do bother to answer surveys about voting.
So do you have any evidence to imply that willingness to respond to a survey has anything to do with political orientation?
Pretty sure most poling data has been “adjusted” to fit the narrative of the oligarchy at this point. Think for yourselves kids.
Idk. I want to agree, but that’s how we got Qanon. Thinking for yourself without data is just inviting biases to control what you believe to be true.
I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we’re surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won’t be. :(
I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we’re surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won’t be. :(
By design, unfortunately :(
There is lots of data though. Trump had absolutely nothing and got laughed out of courts by judges he appointed.
Reminder, QANON started on the internet as a joke making fun of Republicans.
Is that true? I thought it was from the people who ran 8chan?
It started on 4Chan and then moved to 8Chan. It is pretty much impossible to know if it was the same person on each site.
This was the Pew Research Center, the most credible polling organization in the US, and in the article it explains how they compensate for potential biases.
They even surveyed 9 times the usual sample size to make sure this was a legitimate trend.
The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.
People need to snap out of this denial that the US didn’t willingly vote in a fascist because we were sick of stagnation
Data is all fine and dandy, but these datasets are created from a very small control group. When is the last time you picked up the phone from a random unknown or unlisted phone? I haven’t gotten one of these calls in well over 20 years. The only people answering these are those who still have landlines or don’t care to screen out these mubers. These are the same people that are constantly falling for phone scams and losing their savings.
Polling data may as well be the bible. While it is all fine and dandy on the outside, someone in the back room has carefully adjusted content to fit their own needs and goals.
The control group is 9 times larger than when they usually do these surveys.
Sample size is not an issue, learn to accept reality
the most credible news outlet in the US
The most credible corporate-funded media outlet in the US.
You intentionally misread, that’s so fucking disrespectful.
The Pew Research Center is not a news organization, and is controlled by a nonprofit.
“The Pew Charitable Trusts is an independent non-profit, non-governmental organization (NGO), founded in 1948.”
If you would like to name a more credible US based polling org i challenge you to do so, i haven’t seen one.
The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.
the most credible news outlet in the US
The most credible corporate-funded media outlet in the US.
You intentionally misread, that’s so fucking disrespectful.
The Pew Research Center is not a news organization, and is controlled by a nonprofit.
I don’t think they misread or were disrespectful.
But what if the data itself is the problem? The Rockland county tampering case may show that the voting machines did not report the actual vote. In that case, we have very good analysis of incorrect data.
These were bias controlled groups of voters and non voters, this has nothing to do with voting machines
Yeah, it’s assuming the numbers they’re working with weren’t changed at the source.
“Most credible polling organization in the US” means just about nothing these days, in my opinion.
Well your opinion is wrong.
They are as credible as the Associated Press.
So you deny that political polls have been increasingly incorrect over the last three election cycles?
You being incapable of accepting valid data has nothing to do with what you typed.
If you can’t accept reality then you’re going to find yourself making the same mistakes as Republicans.
I’m not saying that they manipulated results or anything, I only think their method of mailing 10,000 people wasn’t thorough enough to draw the conclusion they drew.
It barely matters in the end—the golden turd won.
Well this is the most official data we get every election year about the political leanings of non voters.
And eveelection year before 2024 they were able to get accurate results with just 1,000 surveys. There’s even an except that they got 9x the sample size to excessively make sure they were accurate.
The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.
No.
This was the Pew Research Center, the most credible polling organization in the US
The most credible car wash is still just a car wash. It’s not magic. Polls get it wrong all the time. 9,000 chosen respondents is as many people as there were in the local grocery store between 8am-5pm. It’s nothing. Yeah they fixed it with math, sure. Because they have all the variables and every one is dead-on. No.
People need to snap out of this denial that the US didn’t willingly vote in a fascist because we were sick of stagnation
What
