Oh, okay. AWS is actually a good analogy. It’s a huge pillar of the existing infrastructure, and if it was gone it would be a pretty huge, unprecedented crisis. The internet would still come back, though. (Since I’m on all alt platforms already, I actually didn’t notice it was down until I saw it on the news!)

Similarly, NATO would be in a bind, but I have every reason to think the considerable power and common interests of the remaining parties would see it through. One big question I’ve seen mentioned is the American officers that staff parts of it. Either they could keep working there even if the US is not a member, which is possible, or there would be just be a period of interruption to it’s coordination functions while the ranks are refilled. Since Britain and France are nuclear powers, just article 5 is a strong protection already, though.

Oh, so there is more than the US’s say-so at play.

It’s almost like it’s a voluntary agreement to coordinate and defend each other. One which doesn’t intrinsically depend on the US in any way, but just happens to have the US as by far the largest member.

If NATO is just the US, why wasn’t it in Iraq? Because the US didn’t want help? I was there, that was not the message they were putting out.

Yeah. I would trust NATO without America a lot more. That’s a kind of credible alternative organisation of it’s own, which their membership precludes.

So if the US genuinely invade that would be considered triggering Article V as the article doesn’t have an exemption clause of said invader being a different NATO Member.

Sort of? Turkey actually tested this once. Since it was Turkey and Greece it all kind of just got smoothed over. If it was the US the entire thing becomes a farce, and the treaty is just a piece of paper.

Furthermore the way NATO is structured is it can’t function unless the US is at the steering wheel.

Are you just thinking about all the US officers involved in running it? It’s not like the US actually, officially calls the shots.

TIL! Oh well.

Hopefully NATO is one of them and we can just rip the bandaid off now.

Edit: Huh, downvotes. Does Lemmy think NATO is in great shape and will definitely hold for the foreseeable future?

As it is, it’s in the way of other, more credible alliances forming, because nobody wants to weaken NATO. But, the moment the US does something in Greenland, all that delay will be for naught.

So, it doesn’t change your point, but “legal property” isn’t really the right word for an entity that makes up it’s own laws and can ignore the laws of everywhere else. I’d stick with “territory”, because it’s about their local monopoly on the use of force, and mutual recognition by other sovereign powers.

So he invaded Venezuala for oil money, but is planning to take a loss so that other people can sell that oil for him.

A genius businessman, everybody.

Subsaharan Africa is not known for being well plugged in. Especially not in the 1960’s.

Yeah, but this was colonial/early postcolonial Africa, and Hitler was in Europe. How well can you tell fine African leaders from atrocity committing ones? And, the average Lemming has an actual solid education.

This is the dudes explanation as well, when the media bothers him. Dad just picked a random major European leader.

Given that the headline doesn’t even mention which country, no.