It would only make sense if it was a one time fee, and you got your ID as a result.
We also know it’s not about security, or you couldn’t fly without one.
We know it’s a cash grab because they’re counting on a “built-in” amount of flyers who won’t have or will refuse to get ID with privacy issues. If, by some anomaly, more or all flyers acquire the ID, then we’d see maintenance fees added and the fee itself increased to maintain revenue certainty - but who are we kidding, those things will eventually happen anyways.
It’s still optional in some states, and it’s hard for some people to get since it requires extra residency proof and a birth certificate or naturalization papers.
My guess is the intent was always revenue…not security. Security was just the pretext for new revenue, because margins are thin and there’s a certain proportion of people who will pay to prioritize privacy.
It would only make sense if it was a one time fee, and you got your ID as a result.
You can pay a one time fee and get your REAL ID any time you want by going to your local DMV.
We also know it’s not about security, or you couldn’t fly without one.
You’re not supposed to be flying without one (or a valid passport) now. All they’re doing with this policy is potentially making it possible if you’re willing to pay an extra fee and wait (potentially several hours) while they do a background check. Even then there’s no guarantee you’re going to be let on the flight.
We know it’s a cash grab because they’re counting on a “built-in” amount of flyers who won’t have or will refuse to get ID with privacy issues.
IMO it’s not a cash grab it’s an incentive to get with the program by getting the proper documentation.
The whole thing is stupid but I don’t believe it’s a cash grab.
You’re just repeating information from the article.
It’s definitely a cash grab, and also a privacy invasion. It’s a cash grab because it would be much cheaper & easier to standardize state ID requirements and use the existing infrastructure, rather than issue an entirely new ID through an entirely new database controlled by the feds. The states certainly view this as a revenue source…and the feds view it as an “information” source.
It should be noted that, to my knowledge, all the “non-compliant” states (where you can’t use state ID in place of Real ID) are States that are controlled by Democrats, so there’s an additional layer of shenanigans that appears partisan.
My good person I’ve been tracking this whole REAL ID mess since before it was passed back in 2005. Please read my entire comment before replying and let me clarify a few things for you:
I’ll start by saying that a “REAL ID” isn’t a separate ID card. It’s a regular ID, typically a Drivers License or State ID, that was created in compliance with the REAL ID Act. If you want to know what the criteria are you can read them here. (PDF Warning)
It’s a cash grab because it would be much cheaper & easier to standardize state ID requirements and use the existing infrastructure…
Yes and this is one of the things that the REAL ID Act of 2005 did! It created a standardized set of ID requirements that leveraged the individual States existing infrastructure for creation. You are apparently unknowingly arguing for people to follow the regular process and get a REAL ID! The process described in this article is for individuals who either choose to or cannot go through the regular process. I have more information on this farther down.
…rather than issue an entirely new ID through an entirely new database controlled by the feds.
That is a exceptionally strained way to describe what is happening. If an individual doesn’t have a REAL compliant ID or a Passport then they can to go the TSA website and pay a $45 fee for a one time background check. If / when that background check is completed they are given a token that they can present to the TSA Agent at the gate and that token is only valid for 10 days. This is not another form of ID, it’s proof of a recent background check.
The states certainly view this as a revenue source…
Please explain how a state gets any additional revenue from this process. All of the money for this temporary background check is going to the Federal Government.
…and the feds view it as an “information” source.
While you aren’t wrong this is going to impact less than 5% of travelers so there’s not much information to be gathered and the feds already have most of it anyway.
It should be noted that, to my knowledge, all the “non-compliant” states (where you can’t use state ID in place of Real ID) are States that are controlled by Democrats…
So there is no state where what you are saying is true and there hasn’t been for at least 5 years. Every State has the ability to issue identification that is compliant with the REAL ID standard it’s just that some States choose to continue issuing IDs that don’t. Even California which was recently in the news about this started issuing REAL IDs back in 2018, it’s just that many people either did not or could not get them.
Even today some States, such as California, will issue both compliant and non-compliant ID cards and which of them a person gets depends entirely on what they want or can qualify for. If an individual qualifies for a REAL compliant ID and wants it then they can get one. If they can’t qualify for or don’t want a REAL compliant ID then they can get a Standard ID.
…so there’s an additional layer of shenanigans that appears partisan.
That’s what you’ve been told but it isn’t true. You may be surprised to learn that some of the very last States to start issuing REAL compliant ID’s were Red States! Oklahoma for example didn’t start issuing them until two years after California! Not only that but many of the Red States that fought REAL ID, Oklahoma, Arizona, South Carolina and Idaho to name a few, also still issue “Standard” IDs just like California and other Blue States!
The truth is that the REAL ID Act was passed 20 years ago and enforcement dates were known about literally years in advance. This fight isn’t new nor is it Red vs Blue. I never liked the REAL ID Act but I like the recent hyper-partisan misinformation hysteria surrounding it even less.
This latest thing from the TSA is just a way for people who don’t have or can’t get a REAL compliant ID or US Passport to fly domestically. It’s not an information gathering conspiracy nor is it a revenue generator, it’s just another sad and stupid act in the Security Theater that is the TSA.
You haven’t really engaged with anything I said. You’re just repeating more inform from the article and what is generally known.
It is a fact that, rather than simply bringing existing ID into “compliance” (some are, and some aren’t - and for a reason you haven’t sufficiently explained these non compliant states appear to be Democratic) there is an entire new system being superimposed that, which you like it or not, was sold to the states as a revenue source. Additionally, the feds are collecting massive amounts of data that was formerly considered private.
It would only make sense if it was a one time fee, and you got your ID as a result.
We also know it’s not about security, or you couldn’t fly without one.
We know it’s a cash grab because they’re counting on a “built-in” amount of flyers who won’t have or will refuse to get ID with privacy issues. If, by some anomaly, more or all flyers acquire the ID, then we’d see maintenance fees added and the fee itself increased to maintain revenue certainty - but who are we kidding, those things will eventually happen anyways.
I was under the impression real id was required to fly. This article is the first hint I’ve seen that it’s not. I wonder if that changed recently?
Or passport. I fly fairly regularly for work and don’t have a “REAL ID” star on my license
Don’t you have to renew like once every 10 years? Real ID has been a thing for awhile, can you even renew without getting it?
I think I have three years until it expires, so at that point I’ll have to get it. Not worried about it until then
It’s still optional in some states, and it’s hard for some people to get since it requires extra residency proof and a birth certificate or naturalization papers.
My guess is the intent was always revenue…not security. Security was just the pretext for new revenue, because margins are thin and there’s a certain proportion of people who will pay to prioritize privacy.
I’ve barely kept track of it, but I think it kept getting knocked down by courts?
You can pay a one time fee and get your REAL ID any time you want by going to your local DMV.
You’re not supposed to be flying without one (or a valid passport) now. All they’re doing with this policy is potentially making it possible if you’re willing to pay an extra fee and wait (potentially several hours) while they do a background check. Even then there’s no guarantee you’re going to be let on the flight.
IMO it’s not a cash grab it’s an incentive to get with the program by getting the proper documentation.
The whole thing is stupid but I don’t believe it’s a cash grab.
You’re just repeating information from the article.
It’s definitely a cash grab, and also a privacy invasion. It’s a cash grab because it would be much cheaper & easier to standardize state ID requirements and use the existing infrastructure, rather than issue an entirely new ID through an entirely new database controlled by the feds. The states certainly view this as a revenue source…and the feds view it as an “information” source.
It should be noted that, to my knowledge, all the “non-compliant” states (where you can’t use state ID in place of Real ID) are States that are controlled by Democrats, so there’s an additional layer of shenanigans that appears partisan.
My good person I’ve been tracking this whole REAL ID mess since before it was passed back in 2005. Please read my entire comment before replying and let me clarify a few things for you:
I’ll start by saying that a “REAL ID” isn’t a separate ID card. It’s a regular ID, typically a Drivers License or State ID, that was created in compliance with the REAL ID Act. If you want to know what the criteria are you can read them here. (PDF Warning)
Yes and this is one of the things that the REAL ID Act of 2005 did! It created a standardized set of ID requirements that leveraged the individual States existing infrastructure for creation. You are apparently unknowingly arguing for people to follow the regular process and get a REAL ID! The process described in this article is for individuals who either choose to or cannot go through the regular process. I have more information on this farther down.
That is a exceptionally strained way to describe what is happening. If an individual doesn’t have a REAL compliant ID or a Passport then they can to go the TSA website and pay a $45 fee for a one time background check. If / when that background check is completed they are given a token that they can present to the TSA Agent at the gate and that token is only valid for 10 days. This is not another form of ID, it’s proof of a recent background check.
Please explain how a state gets any additional revenue from this process. All of the money for this temporary background check is going to the Federal Government.
While you aren’t wrong this is going to impact less than 5% of travelers so there’s not much information to be gathered and the feds already have most of it anyway.
Here is the “farther down” I referenced earlier. Let’s start with the fact that all 50 States were issuing compliant REAL IDs by September of 2020.
So there is no state where what you are saying is true and there hasn’t been for at least 5 years. Every State has the ability to issue identification that is compliant with the REAL ID standard it’s just that some States choose to continue issuing IDs that don’t. Even California which was recently in the news about this started issuing REAL IDs back in 2018, it’s just that many people either did not or could not get them.
Even today some States, such as California, will issue both compliant and non-compliant ID cards and which of them a person gets depends entirely on what they want or can qualify for. If an individual qualifies for a REAL compliant ID and wants it then they can get one. If they can’t qualify for or don’t want a REAL compliant ID then they can get a Standard ID.
That’s what you’ve been told but it isn’t true. You may be surprised to learn that some of the very last States to start issuing REAL compliant ID’s were Red States! Oklahoma for example didn’t start issuing them until two years after California! Not only that but many of the Red States that fought REAL ID, Oklahoma, Arizona, South Carolina and Idaho to name a few, also still issue “Standard” IDs just like California and other Blue States!
The truth is that the REAL ID Act was passed 20 years ago and enforcement dates were known about literally years in advance. This fight isn’t new nor is it Red vs Blue. I never liked the REAL ID Act but I like the recent hyper-partisan misinformation hysteria surrounding it even less.
This latest thing from the TSA is just a way for people who don’t have or can’t get a REAL compliant ID or US Passport to fly domestically. It’s not an information gathering conspiracy nor is it a revenue generator, it’s just another sad and stupid act in the Security Theater that is the TSA.
You haven’t really engaged with anything I said. You’re just repeating more inform from the article and what is generally known.
It is a fact that, rather than simply bringing existing ID into “compliance” (some are, and some aren’t - and for a reason you haven’t sufficiently explained these non compliant states appear to be Democratic) there is an entire new system being superimposed that, which you like it or not, was sold to the states as a revenue source. Additionally, the feds are collecting massive amounts of data that was formerly considered private.