• ikt@aussie.zone
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    9 hours ago

    for all those who wanted america out of afghanistan glad you got your wish 😔

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      8 hours ago

      This is happening because the US invaded Afghanistan.

      Unless the plan was to make Afghanistan the 51st state, this was always going to be the result.

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        4 hours ago

        are the women in saudi covered up because of the us as well?

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          3 hours ago

          Yes? Do you think kingdom of Saudi Arabia would still exist if it weren’t for the US? The US props this stuff up all over West Asia.

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          7 hours ago

          And how and why were they able to obtain power in '96? Because of prior imperial meddling!

          The Taliban wouldn’t have been able to stay in power with policies like this if they’d been in power for those entire 30 years. Eventually they’d have collapsed under the contradictions or reformed to be less restrictive.

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        No, this isn’t happening just because of that. It’s happening because of religion. Nothing more nothing less. What the USSR and the US did over there doesn’t excuse what the religious are doing to it now.

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          All their neighbors have the same religion, why are they different?

          The obvious difference between Afghanistan and their neighbors is they were invaded and occupied. It isn’t an “excuse” but simply an explanation. Reactionary policy like this is a reaction to imperialism; without invasion and prior meddling the Taliban wouldn’t have the political support to implement a policy this backwards.

          This won’t last in the long run, a policy like this will collapse their country. Either their population will start to crater as half their population is unable to go to the doctor, or women and the people who love them will start picking up guns. Reactionaries can’t actually reproduce society, it’s always a circular firing squad with them.

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            3 hours ago

            Most of their neighbors who are ruled by religious fanatics are the same…the Saudis we are allies with and they’re bad with women’s rights as well. What’s your excuse there? We’ve never bombed them.

            Stop defending religious extremist with “well they have been bombed”…most countries on the planet have been invaded or bombed or been at war at one point or another.

            Ukraine is actively being invaded and they don’t seem to be taking women back to the stone age.

            Just stop with the excuses.

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            That’s rather a limited consideration of all the factors.

            Universally, the more rural places are, the more religious conservative they are. The poorer a place is the more strongly religious people are. The more chaotic the situation is, the more strongly people turn to religion (or other existential anchors). This is true even in developed countries. Cities are liberal/blue, and rural areas are conservative/red.

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              4 hours ago

              The poorer a place is the more strongly religious people are.

              Do you think places are poor by accident?

              In the case of Afghanistan this, too, is imperialism. Underdevelopment is a policy decision, and they know whose fault it is.

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                4 hours ago

                Yeah, we shouldn’t be blind to the harm imperialism and colonialism has done (and continues to do in places like Syria) to the world… I just don’t think that’s always the only reason for everything, though it certainly is a major reason for a lot of things.

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                  Everything comes down to the material conditions. It’s not all imperialism specifically, development in rural areas is simply difficult in general, but the only way to sustain a backwards reactionary force like the Taliban is through intentional impoverishment.

                  Without that, I suspect Afghanistan might look more like Iran. Perhaps still conservative, not backwards.

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                    Afghanistan is made up of a bunch of tribes. Most who live there don’t see the country of Afghanistan as a whole. The reason the Taliban has such a hold is because of this division and because of how religious the population there is.