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The good old FAFO. Zero sympathy for the MAGA voters and I do not wish them luck for the shitshow they created. Return your diplomas and recycle your asses.
I will maybe make an exception for boomers. Fuck the lead-brained “me first” generation.
Maybe they should stop rizzing and gooning and do their fucking homework before voting (or not voting).
Treat it like a fucking video game if you want. The data is all there and readily available on the characters. The stats show that one character is way, way, way, way, way better. Choose that character.
It’s not like both characters are equal, despite what a TON of dipshits and bots would like you to believe.
30-year-old boomer take.
Under half of all eligible gen z voters voted like 47 percent. Worthless dog turd humans. Enjoy the shit show morons.
And our generation had better voter turnout when we were their age? It doesn’t seem much different from voter turnout in general.
Regret afterwards has replaced thinking through the consequences beforehand.
We’re devolving as a species and it’s probably intentional.
But how can they get more likes on social media by acting shocked and victimized if they make the intelligent decision and nothing bad happens as a result?
Drama = views. Seems like the only concept they’ve actually got a handle on.
This is the ultimate goal of undermining education.
Gee, it’s not like we warned you, pointed to the pile of shit his first term was and how terrible things got, and before his first term we pointed to all the awful shit he did that he fucking bragged about doing, along with all his failed business dealings (how the fuck do you bankrupt a casino in Atlantic City?) and then pointed out all his shady connections to Russian oligarchs and criminal gangs with believable if difficult to prove implications that much of his income was built on laundering money.
But no no, he TOTALLY was going to do things right this time and lie with every other breathe.
I don’t even feel sorry for you fucking morons anymore, if you voted for Trump there really is no excuse anymore.
There’s no way around it, and I don’t care if it’s someone’s family member that they love with all their heart that’s always been kind to them.
Anyone that voted for Trump, ever, but especially the 2nd and 3rd time around, ranks among the dumbest humans to ever walk the face of this earth.
Profoundly dumb, at minimum, and likely also evil.
I fail to understand how most people can see the Trump grift from miles away, and others are completely blind to it 🤔
They aren’t blind, they just think they aren’t the ones being grifted.
Which is both a fundamental part of the grift and says a lot about people.
There are a lot of wealthy elite Republican Trump supporters who think installing an authoritarian regime will consolidate and extend their power. They don’t see that authoritarianism means the only thing protecting them from a purge is the thought of it by the leader. Their wealth, power and privilege, CEO or Senator, mean precicely shit. Just look to Saudi Arabia China or Russia to see how fragile power is.
They voted for him again, anyway, and then they blamed "boomers. Hopefully, they’ll change their vote.
In 2016, Trump promised to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. Over the course of his presidency, he followed through on this catastrophic commitment, stacking the federal judiciary with staunch abortion opponents, including three Supreme Court justices who voted in 2022 to overturn Roe and with it the federal right to abortion in a case called Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.
And then the morons blame Biden for it because he was president when the supreme court made that ruling.
The Gen Z Trump voters might be the dumbest people on the planet right now. Genuinely.
Like, you expect the boomers to be stupid and impressionable, because ::gestures around::, but not the younger folks.
These people will live with their shame for a lifetime.
Not sure someone unintelligent enough to vote for Trump can experience an emotion as complex as shame.
Realistically, others will be experiencing the shame for them for the rest of their lives while they continue to make poor decisions they feel no shame for.
I think the key issue here is that, regardless of generation, most humans are stupid and impressionable.
Stupidity is not related to age.
ignorance is though.
To be fair, he said “Gen Z Trump voters”, not simple Gen Z.
Though that’s the same, as most are further right than Boomers.
It shows the issue isn’t intelligence but messaging.
To be fair, he said:
Like, you expect the boomers to be stupid and impressionable, because ::gestures around::, but not the younger folks.
I’m finding it difficult to understand why you think younger people are somehow less stupid and impressionable?
That’s almost a by-definition sort of expectation here.
Young people are stupid and impressionable, just like how older people are less physically capable.
Impressionability is literally a defining aspect of being young and still having a developing brain. This is also why it’s such a huge fight to corrupt our education system.
I’d guess it has to do with the benefit of doubt based on a lack of evidence, and a dash of confirmation bias thrown in. For example, there’s plenty of evidence that the generations before them suck at choosing leaders and then suck at governing when they finally get a seat at the table. I would choose to defend millennials because as an older millennial I am biased toward that generation. But Gen Z doesn’t yet have a lot of evidence out there in either direction.
All that said, I feel like the statement “Boomers destroyed the planet in essentially every way and made life worse for every generation that preceded and followed it” is just fact. But again, I’m biased.
Think of how stupid the average genZer is, then remember: half of them are stupider than that.
Bravo!
Saying reprehensible shit like that now makes me think that you are stupid and impressionable. Go figure.
found the gen-z voter guys!
That’s the generation that grew up with the large social media sites in place, and the constant message there traditional media would be untrustworthy.
For people who are mad about voting for him, why did you do it? His first term confirmed that Trump is completely serious about what he says, it’s not a joke or pandering, he’s actually what he potrays himself as. He sits around the White House shitting his pants and demanding blow jobs.
They believed his lies. Kamala Harris promised nothing would change while Donald Trump promised change for the better. In those circumstances, it’s easy to see how the gullible would pick the liar while the disillusioned stayed home. The Democrats threw away an easy slam dunk victory because they wanted to win with a marginal victory instead. They couldn’t walk that tightrope and lost to an idiot.
“Trump Is the festering carcass of American rot shoved into an ill-fitting suit: the sleaze of a conman, the cowardice of a draft dodger, the gluttony of a parasite, the racism of a Klansman, the sexism of a back-alley creep, the ignorance of a bar-stool drunk, and the greed of a hedge-fund ghoul all spray-painted orange and paraded like a prize hog at a county fair. Not a president. Not even a man. Just the diseased distillation of everything this country swears it is not but has always been arrogance dressed up as exceptionalism, stupidity passed off as common sense, cruelty sold as toughness, greed exalted as ambition, and corruption worshiped like gospel. It is America’s shadow made flesh, a rotting pumpkin idol proving that when a nation kneels before money, power, and spite, it does not just lose its soul it shits out this bloated obscenity and calls it a leader. The Trump regime this carnival of third-rate strongmen, grifters, sycophants, and sadists is not innovating anything. It is copying. It is importing the authoritarian model wholesale. They have read the Putin playbook, dog-eared the best parts, and now they are running it in real time. And the cruelty? That is not a flaw in the system. That is the system. Trump, a failed businessperson and serial conman, did not stumble into power because he had a vision. He stumbled into it like a raccoon into a jewellery store: overwhelmed, opportunistic, and desperate to grab everything shiny before the lights come on, He brought with him a gang of similarly hollow, self-serving goons parasites in flag pins who recognized that brute force and spectacle could serve as a perfect cover for mass-scale corruption. All they needed was enough boots, enough masks, and enough Americans too scared or too exhausted to resist. Americans must avoid being overwhelmed by the torrent of frightening moves the Trump administration has made. Instead resist the paralysis that might result from that torrent, for the sake of both you and our patriotic predecessors who fought for freedom and defeated fascism in Europe in World War II.”
Oliver Kornetzke
I like draft dodgers, though.
This is just a bunch of lib slop. Like would it be better if a president was one with a vision, and a successful business person? Or if we had a president who was tough with our enemies, but not to an excessive degree?
None of these virtues this long lib-rant espouses I agree with, they would be the virtues of someone totally opposed to me. I would much rather my enemies be incompetent and baffoonish, but this person Oliver Kornetzke clearly doesn’t see Amerikkka as his enemy, he seems to love the USA actually. He’s just lamenting that the glory days of the empire are gone now.
They did it because it gave them a good feeling that they could express their toxic behavior with impunity. Also, they hate brown people, immigrants, women, anyone who isn’t white.
The first two quotes from the article are from a black man and a white woman. So I’m guesibg you didn’t read the article.
2024, given how emotionally toxic, morally vacant, and psychologically mangled he is. I do not wonder anymore. He won for that exact reason. He was not a candidate. He was a mirror. If you were a racist, you found your guy. If you were a misogynist, you found your guy. If money was your only religion, you found your guy. If your heart was armoured shut, you found your guy. If you mocked disabled people, you found your guy. If you hated intelligent people, you found your guy. If you were a rapist, you found your guy. If you enjoyed golden showers with Russian sex workers, you found your guy. If you had done absolutely nothing to confront your emotional wreckage, you found your guy. If you were a serial cheater, you found your guy. If you were a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy. If you stiffed honest workers, you found your guy. If you were a conman, you found your guy. If you mocked people’s appearances, you found your guy. If you longed for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy. If you were dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy. If you were unconscionable in every economic dealing, you found your guy. If you lied as naturally as breathing, you found your guy. If you had never eaten a green vegetable, you found your guy. If you were a white supremacist, you found your guy. If your ego contained a hole so large not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy. If you were a sociopath who cared not one molecule about other humans, you found your guy. If he had only two of these traits, he never would have won. He won because he had hundreds of them, and millions of people recognized themselves in at least one. This has never been about Trump. It has always been about the people who finally had their worst instincts validated. Trump did not create the cruelty, he licensed it. He handed out permission slips for hate. He is merely a symptom of a far deeper disease: collective toxicity. If there is one sentence that explains Trump’s power, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That is the part that should chill the spine. Who knew that tens of millions of Americans were thinking such unconscionable things about their fellow citizens? Who knew how many white men felt so threatened by women and challenged by minorities that they were ready to torch democracy to feel big again? Who knew that after decades of apparent progress on race and gender, so many people were living in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to legitimize their worst selves and convert their bitterness into political power? We were living in a fool’s paradise. We aren’t anymore." — Michael Jochum
Which will make thier votes for him this November all the more inexplicable.
He isn’t up for a vote
If you were duped in by the anti-war message after his first term even, I mean, come on. You are pretty slow.
And really, that can’t be helped. They can vote and drive and buy guns and make families and everything. We know for a fact that there’s a third or so of our population that are absolutely intellectually impaired.
Then, another large portion are ignorant, they act impulsively and have wishful thinking, even if they’re pretty smart. They just think that they “know” things, while not having the faintest idea… these are usually of the religious variety.
Another quite significant portion have mental illness that influences their reality, like narcissistic and sociopathic and depressive features.
Then, another large portion are alcoholics and drug addicts. This is often paired with another feature
They’re all just walking around and driving cars and on the bus and the train and planes, they are everywhere and any one of them can do anything at any time. Who knows why they voted for who? They don’t even know. it’s amazing that we can make it through the day, really
Libs again being completely out of touch with reality (and ableist).
People don’t become uneducated because they’re mentally defective, they become uneducated because schools get underfunded. People don’t just become drug addicts, they get addicted to drugs because of mental illness and the stress that comes from being poor. Religiosity also tends to decrease when people are exposed to more non-religious people and when the need for community is fulfilled by other things. Most people aren’t born with mental illness, they develop it because of their conditions.
Liberals do nothing to actually help these things then when people inevitably get stop coming to vote for candidates who will both screw them over and some people shift to the other side (which actually promises things, false fascist promises, but promises of change nonetheless) they blame the voters for being “intellectually impaired,” which conveniently isn’t a problem anyone can solve, just an unchanging fact to divert blame to and sigh over.
And when you point this out all they do is compare themselves to Republicans and say that they’re better than the alternative. I mean like c’mon, how ridiculous is this gonna get? It’s like a whole playbook on how to never do anything.
I suppose there’s no point in getting frustrated over it. I shouldn’t expect anything less; doing nothing is what liberals stand for. It is a playbook for doing nothing. They devote themselves first and foremost to the interests of capital while saying otherwise to deceive you, then when the inevitable crisis hits, they suppress the left and wear its face.
Asking them to be better really is a pointless task because the real liberals, not the people who vote for them, are lying when the say they care about your wellbeing. At best they only care about idea of individual liberty: the freedom for a homeless person to technically, hypothetically, under the law, be able to work anywhere and own private property. (Remember this is the core belief they actually stand for.) That was only progressive (and questionably so at that) back in feudalism when most people were serfs and when working for another lord or moving up classes was literally illegal. To be able to move beyond that, we have to look at our society / mode of production through a materialist lens or else solutions to systemic flaws will completely elude us and we will only be able to condescendingly complain, throwing useless moral aphorisms and platitudes against our problems.
Always with the imaginary ‘libs’.
They’re not imaginary, they’re everywhere. Everywhere you look you’ll find people who think politics isn’t about changing things, but about adhering to idealistic moral prescriptions, or people who invert reality and think that ideas are the cause of material conditions, not the other way around: you see it whenever someone uses the concept of punitive justice based on free will and that individuals choosing evil are the root of societal problems while ignoring the material context that creates those people. There are like endless examples of these liberals; liberalism is the dominant ideology that is so prevalent it can pretend to be apoliticalism.
It’s a shame idiots didn’t listen to those of us who said exactly what would happen. You fucked around. Now you found out. And in the meantime the rest of us got screwed. Gee, thanks.
As a non-American, I repeatedly got told to shut up and mind my own business when I complained about Trump. Well, he got elected and fucked the US, and fucked the rest of the world, and he’s threatening to invade my country so it turns out it was my business after all. Cheers for that.
It a shame they didn’t listen to Trump.
He said EXACTLY what he was going to do.
“I’m gonna run this country like one of my companies.”
Like a fascist dictator, right into the ground…
beholden to Russian interests
It is kind of funny how the US simultaneously exalts FREEDOM and tyranny. The tyranny being the private realm, where your boss has total control
Which is why we should be talking about “workplace democracy” instead of “socialism”.
The issue is that freedom is a paradox; if everyone can do whatever they want, what if doing what you want to do prevents someone else from doing what they want to do? We needed some way to figure out who was allowed to do more, and we decided might makes right. If you want the most freedom for yourself, you need to limit the freedom of others as much as possible, and that’s just what those in power did, and continue to do.
He talks so much and said multiple conflicting things.
he talks so much and never says anything at all.
No, he lied and said he was going to stop all the wars and start no new ones. Kamala on the other hand, promised to have the most lethal military ever. Don’t you remember?
They fucked around and we all found out.
I’ll never understand how they could ignore literal millions of loved ones and trust a rich spoiled known scammer to change things for the better for them and not himself, on top of all of us explicitly saying he and republicans will purposely crash the economy and hurt innocent people for fun in the name of religion and conservatism.
People will belive anything if they want it,or fear it to be true.
Did I just find Wizard’s First Rule in the wild?
Yes
Nice! Having read the first book over 20 years ago and having never watched the TV series, that’s a pretty awesome find for me.
Right, I know that intellectually. I’ll never understand it in my heart.
It’s not Trump they trust, it’s his misinformation machine. Manosphere for boys and trad wife content for girls. Andrew Tate evidently knows better than their own people.
Same reason capitalism persists.
If we’re lucky, some of the “both sides” people might take note.
Ah, who am I kidding, they only listen to fascist propaganda.
(not that the establishment Dems don’t suck, mind, but still an order of magnitude better than the fucking fascists)
The unfortunate part of this is that even if the Dems got in, all this other bs would still be brewing until the gop got in power again anyway, and no one would be fighting as hard to establish a socialist movement right now.
That’s just about the only silver lining, at least more people can see the consequences of the systems they enable this way. Hopefully the admin doesn’t destroy the world first…
Ever consider the possibility fascism and socialism both suck?
The center is being squeezed by people suffering from internet brain rot on either side pushing for failed systems of the past. You’re getting a taste of why fascism sucks. Do you need to actually experience why socialism sucks for yourself rather than just reading a history book?
If you burn your hand on one burner on the stove do you assume that pressing it on another burner will make it better?
You don’t even know what the word “socialism” even means; why should we listen to your opinions?
You can enact some socialist policies without become a socialist society.
Socialised healthcare and education is a no-brainer.
Except for literally everyone, no one warned them!
The rest of us either fled or dug our heels in and prepared. The MAGA voters who regret their votes are welcome to sacrifice themselves to the frontlines
The MAGA voters who regret their votes are welcome to sacrifice themselves to the frontlines
Fascist statement.
But Harris wouldn’t support Palestine …
She WAS going to support Ukraine and now that’s fucked also.
Listen, I really really like puppies, and that guy doesn’t care about puppies at all, so I’m not voting for him.
What, you’re worried that the kill-all-puppies party is gonna win? Come on, they’re ridiculous, they’re not gonna make it, so I may as well vote for them just for the thrill of it.
I get it, I’m not an American so can’t vote for either. But I do wish my country would get rid of the first around the post system so my vote for the “I like puppies” party actually meant something. And people didn’t have to feel that they have to vote for the “kill shelters have the right to defend themselves” guy just to stop the “I hate puppies” guy.
“Hey idiot fucking listen to me”
Perhaps the case made to them wasn’t made in the most appealing way. Voting is actually about appetites, thus winning messages are more apetising.
People with no critical thinking skills vote the way they do because of their emotions. And that’s the problem. If more people voted based on logic and reason and the common good, we would never have been in this darkest timeline.
Yep, and I think Trump is particularly good at manipulating the emotions/apetites of his voter base.
You tired of winning yet?
The idea of winning is always going to be the more appetising idea.
The entire point of a campaign is to get votes…
2020 people held their noses and voted Biden, and the people running that geriatric puppet show used it to latch onto power and do whatever the fuck they want.
Jamie Harrison only knows how to take bribes from the wealthy, that’s why he lost to Lindsey Graham despite breaking fundraising efforts. As DNC chair from 2021 to 2025, he did what everyone expected him to do who knew who he was.
He raised a shit ton of money and lost an election because of not caring about anything else.
The real shame is uninformed people not understanding the DNC is just whatever the chair wants it to be, and when the chair changes you judge the organization by the current chair, not the one who fucked up and got fired
We have 2 choices. One is better. This discussion has now concluded.
As long as the US (or any other country for that matter) sees politics as something you only do every 4 years, nothing will change, or at least not to your advantage. Oligarchs have money, but have the numbers. Get involved locally, vote at every level you can, find who in your community has the same ideals as you, change small things first.
We have 2 choices
No. There infinite more. You just resign yourself to the fascist ones.
Americas would be better off if everyone took civics classes.
Or plain history. Repeating it is precisely why they can’t see choices C-Ω.
How has that strategy been working out for you? Oh you lost to an obvious fascist? Twice? Might want to reopen the file and take another swing, lol.
Might be aggressive stubborn people like you are the problem
In other countries the candidates seek popularity, this is a weird place where there was only ever one correct choice, between two people who are absolutely disgusted by you, and will do as much harm as they are allowed to do, but one is clearly an idiot. The other was selected, not by a democratic process but by a machine, and then the corporate media says they’re the most electable, despite there being zero evidence of this.
We were about to make history by electing the first president who didn’t participate in a primary. She was anointed. Just this once, we gave up even on the name Democrat. No Kings indeed! It wasn’t Republicans saying this, it was Black Lives Matter, those people you all also hated because they were too loud and they weren’t even that loud!
Mark my words, the next time Democrats shame everyone, it’ll be before another cancelled primary, not after. They’ll be upset that you’re mad about the cancelled primary. “Do you want (some asshole) to win???”. It’ll be soon, too. your Democratic representatives do not believe in democracy, they did believe in a certain process and we finally lost that too. We have nothing left but respectability aesthetic.
I hope the DSA crushes you all and takes your damn toothbrush too. I hope they double in size, then again, then again, And i hope every single one of you goes back to brunch satisfied that you were definitely in the right whenever it was a dichotomy. I hope it’s fucking delicious and you never have to think about politics again. I hope you get all the things that’ll make your life easier, and I hope you don’t even have to understand what it took to make that happen. I hope my children can be like you. An artist and a chef. The only difference is they won’t be forced to become the sort of people who had to give up so much, everything stripped away from them because they had no choice at so many different levels, no, they will make choices and enjoy it. Fuck you. I hate you all so fucking much and I still want your life to be so wonderful. I hope you retire and you remember how the boomers treated you and how mean they were, and i hope you treat my grown children better than the boomers treated you. I hope my son ends up your neighbour and you never have to meet me or know anything about me because I would fucking HATE you. We will create a society where you do not have to participate in genocide in order to live a normal life, and you won’t even know how, and it’ll be fucking great.
I’m going to waffle house. 1:40 am and haven’t eaten in a while, I’ll be ok
ITT: People act smug about Gen-Z when in fact 54% of them voted Harris… And OLDER WHITE MEN were Trump’s biggest voting block once again.
…and that’s a repeating pattern for Republicans. Stop letting old white men off the hook just because it’s more “expected” for them to be shit.
What’s more blaming young people is just a way to get MILLENNIALS to BECOME rightwing/old in their opinions.
Gen-Z are fine they’re just out there with no idea, trying shit. Like every generation has to in order to find themselves.
Gen-Z are fine they’re just out there with no idea, trying shit. Like every generation has to in order to find themselves.
Eh. I’m a millennial and we didn’t do something like make the manosphere a viable political movement. We just dressed weird and did our hair weird for a while and it was pretty cringey, but not politically dangerous.
But being like every other generation and turning on young people to attack and blame them would be doing something. The wrong something.
I don’t think teens wanting to have sex or wanting a way to get it (eg. What the manosphere promised) is new or surprising. I don’t think they can blamed for that. I think it was political propaganda… And many of the providers of the content were millennials. From Roosh-V, to Neil Strausss (author of ‘The Game’) to Andrew Tate. So we didn’t do anything other than create it.
…I just don’t want to see millennials become another fuddy duddy generation blaming the young so easily. If you’re against the manosphere, you should be for showing empathy and understanding. The things the manosphere hates.
Yep, the Gen Z thing is a misdirect.
They’re at least capable of learning, in aggregate.
Spoiled narcissist white male Boomers?
Not capable of learning, in aggregate.
I don’t understand your logic. The article says that Zoomers regret it more, and the reasons are that the Trump policies specially affect them more negatively (in the short term, long term is a disaster for everyone, even non Americans).
The argument of people in the comments is “duh! he told you he was going to do these things that were clearly bad for you right now” and your logic is: “hey, genx white men vote him more! leave britney Zoomers alone!”
Like, where is the connection?
The zoomers that voted trump (same as the women, immigrants, LGBTQ+, and everyone he hates) are dumb as fuck, and yes, we are not going to say “oh poor baby, the bad man fooled you…” because it was clear as day what the policies were.
This doesn’t mean letting anyone off the hook, anyone tht votes far right (American or not) has my eternal antipathy, because is always a vote for individualism, lack of empathy and the belief of “the law of the jungle”, which is very short sighted due to how macroeconomy works, as we will be all fucked by that logic (other than billionaires)
Because I think the media are going to target Gen-Z, spread the mistruth that they’re hardcore rightwing. Try to manipulate millennials into blaming them - because the owners of the media, and their billionaire friends want generational tension rather than focusing of the rich, and rich, older, white men.
I think this project of thiers is already underway, and th comments show people kinda falling for it… A lot. It’s the classic, use left vs right to protect up (the rich) from down (everyone else).
Essentially I see the article as propaganda aimed at creating and feeding a bias.
Maybe stop creating more generational confrontation and start aiming at the real culprits.
Generational, racial and identity confrontation is something that the right wing uses to divide people in the real actual confrontation that matters: class.
So, in a way, you are falling for it IMHO.
I always find the whole Boomer/GenX/millenial/genz/genalpha conversation quite stupid, but the answer is never to just choose another generation to blame, maybe choose to blame the people that actually voted the pedophile, regardless of the age.
Try to manipulate millennials into blaming them
That won’t be hard, since the defining characteristic of millennials is literally blaming everyone.
blaming everyone is the defining characteristics of everyone… you are doing it too.
Please stop falling for the divide and conquer strategies that use generations to divide us.
I’m in between millennials and gen-x and I know marvelous people in all the generations, so please don’t fall for the “my generation is the best, we don’t criticise and are the most empathetic and have the worst conditions and all this is because the generation <add previous generation here> are the worst, also <add next generation here> don’t want to work and are all lazy and have it super easy”
I’ve heard that from ALL the generations, I think it goes back to ancient Greece, is maybe time to break that.
The fact that only 54% voted for Harris is the reason why Gen-Z gets so much hate.
Everybody expects old white men to vote Conservative. Meanwhile Gen-Z was born into the era of ubiquitous internet access. They’ve had access to the entire world’s knowledge from the very moment they learned to read. So what’s their excuse? They didn’t have to just blindly follow whatever they told you to believe on the TV and in the newspaper, they’ve had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.
Therefore it is mind-blowing to me that a whopping forty six percent of them could manage to be this ignorant and dumb, when all they gotta do is pull out their always-online pocket computer and read to easily figure out that MAGA is completely and utterly full of shit.
Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that’s why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.
they’ve had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.
That’s not how algorithmic social media, which is where they source all their “facts” from, works. Gen Z is not a generation that goes out and researches things; they are spoon-fed information (true or false) in bite-sized pieces which they use to piece together a basic world view that aligns with that of their tribe. They are more concerned with being seen to be good or smart by their peers, another product of being raised by algorithmic social media, than they are with being educated on a topic or developing an independent opinion or thought. This is a generation that is notorious for its inability to focus or concentrate or anything, and that severely impairs its ability to think critically and deeply about issues.
I get what you’re saying, but I just don’t feel like making excuses for dumb people. I believe that if you’re raised in a certain environment it doesn’t mean you have to end up a specific way…unless you’re kind of dumb.
This isn’t centuries ago where you’re born into a village and that village and its customs are all that you know, forever. All data is accessible now. If you end up stupid, it’s kind of your own fault.
I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but I’m old enough that I lived the first chunk of my life before the internet became a thing and I’m WAY more intelligent with the internet than I was without it. I’m much more aware of what’s going on in the world around me. I know so much more about, just, random shit. And I didn’t receive some special education. I received a public education in the U.S.
There’s really no excuses. I believe the internet, or propaganda in any form, only corrupts if you’re kind of generally dumb.
Yeah, what most people have in their pockets is providing them access to a well-oiled propaganda machine. Maybe the people on Lemmy are on average less trusting of such things, but that’s not normal. The right picks and champions influencers nearly constantly. The Dems don’t have much success here.
I like to say: we carry a re-education camp in our pockets. And we choose do do so.
Oh we’re just going to pretend the children should have been the parents? The youngest and most vulnerable to manipuation should have been the adults in the room.
You’re doing the EXACT thing I complained about.
Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that’s why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.
You simply haven’t made the case. Sorry, your argument is that more experience = a good excuse for ignorance? That first time voters should be the most expert… And that Internet access for young people, didn’t also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.
Did you just not notice how memes were used in the Trump campaigns?.. And then this whole idea that millennials and older just don’t have Internet access? WTF is wrong with you? How out of touch with reality are you?
STOP EXCUSING OLD WHITE MEN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OLD WHITE MEN IN CHARGE.
…it’s not that difficult.
I think you completely missed the point. They’re not saying genz should be the adults in the room.
They’re surprised that a generation who never drew breath without the internet came of age without the wisdom they hypothesized such a life would avail.
You gotta understand: earlier generations couldn’t trivially verify things. Anyone they ever interacted with were the people like… On their street. Diversity of thought was informed by limited contact. The internet, at one point, appeared to promise a radical solution to both. The optimism for the future, as a result, was essentially unbounded.
It’s not fair to ask gen z to save anyone. I don’t think its what buddy was saying, but if it was, it was unfair.
I think buddy was coming to the very late realization that the optimism of the transformative nature of the internet was misplaced. The hypothesis just didn’t pan out. You can give a human for their entire lives the ability to get the answer to any question, verify anything they’re told, and meet and talk to people with diverse viewpoints that may challenge what they’re exposed to based on proximity…
… And ultimately they’re just about as dumb as anyone else.
And I get the impression that, more than anything else, is what makes them sad.
I still think raising the pre-internet era at all, and pointing towards people who live offline as if they’re a big demographic, is weak excuse making. The internet is 30 years old and we’re all on it now.
But yeah, it doesn’t just solve everything… And nor will AI.
You’re 100% right. I never said they don’t have an excuse now, all I said is that they once did. I carefully worded my sentence for a reason.
Meanwhile Gen-Z never had an excuse for ignorance. That’s my point.
First time inexperienced voters, the young not known for taking life seriously or for having ever seen the reprocussions of their votes… Have no excuses? Really?
You’re still not making sense. You’re saying young people aren’t politically vulnerable, niave, or able to be manipulated when OF COURSE THEY ARE!
Like I said the first time, the pretense is:
That first time voters should be the most expert… And that Internet access for young people, didn’t also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.
I remember when, to find myself, I needed to look at and then step into a bear trap.
Old White men are stupid and at fault, so is some large proportion of Gen Z, and probably others. If they have regret, fuck all of them. Next time do your homework, this was all knowable in advance. Welcome to the “school of hard knocks” (hurr durr), better known in 2026 as the school of FAFO.
And OLDER WHITE MEN were Trump’s biggest voting block once again.
white women
https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/
I prefer my .edu source which uses exit polling. Says 45% of women, 55% men. 57% whites (as a group).
EDIT: Your source uses teen vogue as it’s source, who uses this NYT article (which is again, exit polling). It’s closer to what I’m saying, white men were Trump’s biggest voting block: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html
Unpaywalled version: https://archive.is/GTeDy
