A 33-year-old nurse near Detroit helped a man captured by Border Patrol walk out of a hospital and regain his freedom. We celebrate Chloe Freeman’s example. Drop the charge and reinstate her!
Freeman’s employer did not see it this way. When police questioned her (thus collaborating with ICE), she openly said that she disagreed with ICE separating immigrants from their families. Trinity Health fired Freeman and has refused to make any public statement on the events of May 28. It is criminal that this and other hospital systems allow ICE and CBP agents to enter medical buildings.
disagree, its actually literally not criminal. They dont get to just barge onto private property and do whatever they want. They need a warrant. And no one is required to help them in any way. Their mission is their problem, not anyone elses in a private healthcare setting. They can wait in the waiting room with their thumbs up their asses like everyone else.
This is a catholic hospital. Shame on the catholic church for collaborating with fascism. again.
Catholic hospitals have pretty much nothing to do with the church today. They are exclusively businesses, and they pay less taxes because they operate as religious nonprofits.
You’re just flat wrong though - the police do not have the right to enter a hospital beyond the public sections (generally, the waiting rooms) without a warrant or permission from the hospital. The hospital in this case gave the police that permission, and unless a statute exists in Michigan specifically allowing this (if one exists I haven’t found it), they are absolutely at fault for doing so.
ICE agents accompanied him into the hospital but did not thoroughly guard him at all times. […] Then, Chloe Freeman, a Registered Nurse working her shift, entered the CT room, spoke with O.B.P., and helped him walk through several doors, exit the hospital, and walk out free. He has not been recaptured. (emphasismine)
Oh - I’m terribly sorry, but you appear to be mistaken. ICE were allowed into the hospital, and as written did not accompany him into the radiology room (since personnel generally do not stand around CT scanners due to the radiation hazard this makes sense). So the hospital does therefore seem to have been at fault for allowing them to accompany the patient - but thank you for looking out for accuracy in comment sections!
I’m confused by the whole “fault” thing. I EMT’d for about a decade, and there were times we had police escorts, and they’d absolutely come all the way in and stay with the patient the whole time. Just my experience, and maybe I’m confused by the point you’re making.
That being said, the hospital is private property. The hospital presumably has an understanding, and it may be written and memorialized in some sort of agreement, that cops are welcome on the property, in the same way just about anyplace that exists in society does. Maybe not a private residence, but anywhere public may go.
Ah sorry for not being clearer. The “fault” is not liability or similar but social falt; complicity. The casual or formal arrangement with the police allowed the persecution of this nurse.
Yes cops are often allowed in (elsewhere I list off some of the various situations I’ve seen for allowing police non-warranted entry in these sorts of arrangements) but it’s almost never blanket permission, as that leaves the hospital legally open for all kinds of tedious lawyer shit (lots and lots of hippa mostly) and the more permissive agreements generally still have stipulations about medical staff assent. However they are still required to have a warrant if that permission agreement isn’t in place to access any non-public (“anywhere you’d need a vistor badge for” is a helpful way to think of it, even if the badge itself isn’t required. The definition of what is considered public/private is quite fascinating if you’re a huge boring asshole (like me) - for example in some jurisdictions, separate warrants are required to access the private hospital areas and patient treatment areas / rooms.
(Sorry for the nerd ramble, I was recently on a project collecting and collating these agreements so I have Read. So. Many.)
Yep, and it’s not even about picking battles or rEjEcTiNg aUtHoRiTy it’s about not expecting a fucking hospital to lead the initial charge of the revolution.
Lemmy loves to shitpost about anarchism but I don’t hear about any CEOs getting fragged on a weekly basis yet these lazy fucks think a corporate hospital admin team is supposed to hold the door.
The vast majority of hospitals in the US do not allow police entry without a warrant, safety concern or an emergent situation (or a procedural reason - victim interviews and similar are sometimes done in hospital, as well as supervision of physical evidence collection (or the actual collection itself if the hospital doesn’t have a certified forensic examiner (or legal/jurisdictional equivalent) on staff)), why are you just making stuff up you clearly don’t know about dude?
We need more people like Chloe Freeman.
The problem is that it’s actually, literally criminal for them to deny entrance to the pigs.
The President is literally a criminal.
disagree, its actually literally not criminal. They dont get to just barge onto private property and do whatever they want. They need a warrant. And no one is required to help them in any way. Their mission is their problem, not anyone elses in a private healthcare setting. They can wait in the waiting room with their thumbs up their asses like everyone else.
This is a catholic hospital. Shame on the catholic church for collaborating with fascism. again.
Catholic hospitals have pretty much nothing to do with the church today. They are exclusively businesses, and they pay less taxes because they operate as religious nonprofits.
Be gay do crimes then.
Ohh! I love it when we LARP that we have some sort of legitimate legal / justice system!
We have an enforcement arm for the parasitic pedophile rapist class.
I’m an anarchist, brainlet, I just think it’s embarrassing to try and get mad at the hospital about it.
What’s a warrant?
You’re just flat wrong though - the police do not have the right to enter a hospital beyond the public sections (generally, the waiting rooms) without a warrant or permission from the hospital. The hospital in this case gave the police that permission, and unless a statute exists in Michigan specifically allowing this (if one exists I haven’t found it), they are absolutely at fault for doing so.
Wrong. That’s why the guy got away and she was able to assist him in the first place, specifically because they weren’t barging into operation areas.
My goodness, am I really?
Oh - I’m terribly sorry, but you appear to be mistaken. ICE were allowed into the hospital, and as written did not accompany him into the radiology room (since personnel generally do not stand around CT scanners due to the radiation hazard this makes sense). So the hospital does therefore seem to have been at fault for allowing them to accompany the patient - but thank you for looking out for accuracy in comment sections!
I’m confused by the whole “fault” thing. I EMT’d for about a decade, and there were times we had police escorts, and they’d absolutely come all the way in and stay with the patient the whole time. Just my experience, and maybe I’m confused by the point you’re making.
That being said, the hospital is private property. The hospital presumably has an understanding, and it may be written and memorialized in some sort of agreement, that cops are welcome on the property, in the same way just about anyplace that exists in society does. Maybe not a private residence, but anywhere public may go.
Ah sorry for not being clearer. The “fault” is not liability or similar but social falt; complicity. The casual or formal arrangement with the police allowed the persecution of this nurse.
Yes cops are often allowed in (elsewhere I list off some of the various situations I’ve seen for allowing police non-warranted entry in these sorts of arrangements) but it’s almost never blanket permission, as that leaves the hospital legally open for all kinds of tedious lawyer shit (lots and lots of hippa mostly) and the more permissive agreements generally still have stipulations about medical staff assent. However they are still required to have a warrant if that permission agreement isn’t in place to access any non-public (“anywhere you’d need a vistor badge for” is a helpful way to think of it, even if the badge itself isn’t required. The definition of what is considered public/private is quite fascinating if you’re a huge boring asshole (like me) - for example in some jurisdictions, separate warrants are required to access the private hospital areas and patient treatment areas / rooms.
(Sorry for the nerd ramble, I was recently on a project collecting and collating these agreements so I have Read. So. Many.)
Trying to parse that last sentence. Who is at fault for doing what?
The hospital is at fault for letting the police in.
Anarchists don’t bow to authority, poser.
Pragmatic ones pick their battles instead of chasing martyrdom at the first opportunity.
Yep, and it’s not even about picking battles or rEjEcTiNg aUtHoRiTy it’s about not expecting a fucking hospital to lead the initial charge of the revolution.
Lemmy loves to shitpost about anarchism but I don’t hear about any CEOs getting fragged on a weekly basis yet these lazy fucks think a corporate hospital admin team is supposed to hold the door.
The vast majority of hospitals in the US do not allow police entry without a warrant, safety concern or an emergent situation (or a procedural reason - victim interviews and similar are sometimes done in hospital, as well as supervision of physical evidence collection (or the actual collection itself if the hospital doesn’t have a certified forensic examiner (or legal/jurisdictional equivalent) on staff)), why are you just making stuff up you clearly don’t know about dude?
Missed the point, friend
No, I didn’t. They’re just fucking stupid.