The two Alpha Epsilon Pi members were charged with hazing. The fraternity was booted from the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus in 2015, officials said.
Any proof this fraternity was actually involved with Israel? Seems plausible, but just seeing the word “Jewish” in an article and jumping to conclusions is a dangerous way of thinking.
Just wanted to add the proof to this comment so its not hidden in the comments. Someone else’s comment not mine but it does include the source and the exact quote everyones contesting.
The CoP recognizes that AEΠ’s success is rooted in a dual approach to Jewish identity – conveying a powerful sense of ethnic belonging and peoplehood, while at the same time providing educational and religious programming to undergraduates worldwide. And,** in defining Zionism as a central component of Jewish identity**, AEΠ makes support and advocacy for the State of Israel a critical focus of our programs and policies.
Like, if their organization had hosted a speaker from the IDF or tried to coordinate group trips to Israel or put out dumbass statements about Israel and Palestine, people should link to that and then I am 100% ok with attacking them for that shit, because hazing and other kinds of hierarchical violence are totally symptoms of colonizer cultures, but just seeing the word “Jewish” in the article and jumping to that assumption isn’t OK
It not the article writer fault that the creator of that organization self identify as Jewish not zionists. It is their creators who try to conflate israel with jews
You guys spend this much time defending zionist bro… Idk… If i was jewish i’d be as far away from that concept as humanly possible, its pretty clear you’re becoming a scapegoat for international rage(again). That would make me defensive too but maybe thats part of the trap? idk but Israel sure is becoming a pretty serious PR problem for jews around the world. I don’t know what i can do to help at this stage except stop doing what ever this is? Seek your own evidence before you immediately poopoo post
I’m not flipping out, I’m reading their own public platform. Their official stance is that Zionism is central to their identity, and the article uses the word ‘Jewish’ because that is literally how the creator defines it. If checking the public record on an organization’s stated positions bothers you, that’s on you
Is an article supposed to write every single goddamn piece of information about an organization? Because it is not mentioned in the article, it means that what is outside of it is not real? What kind of logic is this? You are doing a classical logical fallacy of appeal to ignorance
You never asked me to provide the source before this comment, you simply claimed that it is a baseless accusation.
The CoP recognizes that AEΠ’s success is rooted in a dual approach to Jewish identity – conveying a powerful sense of ethnic belonging and peoplehood, while at the same time providing educational and religious programming to undergraduates worldwide. And,** in defining Zionism as a central component of Jewish identity**, AEΠ makes support and advocacy for the State of Israel a critical focus of our programs and policies.
Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi) Headquarters takes the allegations involving our Pi Chapter in Madison, Wisconsin, extremely seriously. We will cooperate fully with the authorities investigating this matter… AEPi Headquarters has now issued a cease-and-desist directive to its Pi Chapter.
They think moderating public forms is going to solve the vitriol that goes on in private group chats. public opinion is getting pretty dangerous but the more you moderate it the more they go back to private spaces saying ‘see jews control the world’ and it just becomes a snowball. Pretty big snowball currently if ya ask me.
The issue is the mods are playing into the Zionist playbook.
One of the primary reasons Zionists (or even just Israel itself) are able to constantly evade valid criticism and accountability is because of Nazism, which they support. So long as the Nazis of old and new spam-fuck the public discourse with insane Jewish Question arguments and conspiracy theories, Zionists are able to pin every criticism of themselves as “antisemitic Nazi rhetoric”.
It’s one of the main reasons Israel supports the far-right. Its one of the reasons Netanyahu supported and funded Hamas. A perpetual boogieman (albeit real violent groups) they are able to use for endless PR control.
And thus here we are. I offer a valid criticism of Zionists, the mods think I’m Nazi posting when I’m obviously not, and the valid criticism gets removed. Israel has been serviced.
And if I still need to make things painfully obvious to the mods
Israel is not the Jewish people
Zionism is not the ideology of all Jewish people
Criticisms of these two concepts are not directed to the Jewish people
I think 1 out of the hundreds of jews i’ve met in my day was an actual zionist. He coulda been a reddit mod too for all i know, but ya real odd ball guy, and this was over a decade ago. He got hit with that propaganda hard. The zionists lke the nazis really arnt shy about it LOL
Israel does a thing where if you’re jewish they offer for you to come visit Israel, I believe paying for travel and stuff for you, as a way of getting you invested in Israel
They do the same thing with politicians. Thats what the other replies are talking about. I’m not super knowledgeable on this so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt, just trying to make more clear what’s meant by the other replies
this is what they were talking about. If you scroll down to the last 2 paragraphs you’ll see that they shout out zionism and promote it as a value of Judaism
I’m pretty sure it’s like a coming of age thing, so yeah I think it might be 🤷🏻♂️ Like I said, just trying to provide context for the answers others are giving, I cannot provide as helpful of an answer as I would like, I really dont know much about this practice
I just thought the other replies didn’t make much sense without providing an explainer of what kind of practice they were actually characterizing
You’re talking about birthright trips, which are organized by Chabad, a super Zionist org but not Israel itself. They’re free 10 day trips they give to college age students. It is not some Jewish “coming of age” thing or whatever weirdness you’re, I assume unintentionally, veering into some gross territory with.
And I mean that does kinda sound like they target young adults who are coming of age? Maybe I’m using the term wrong. Am I understanding correctly that you get old enough and the org offers to fly you to Israel to get you invested in Zionism? Does coming of age mean a different or more specific thing?
Sure, that makes sense, but the Jewish bar and bat mizvah ceremonies are literally cultural coming of age traditions, equivalent to a quincinera or confirmation. Thus the immediate ick reaction when you frame chabadniks doing birthright as “coming of age”.
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Any proof this fraternity was actually involved with Israel? Seems plausible, but just seeing the word “Jewish” in an article and jumping to conclusions is a dangerous way of thinking.
Just wanted to add the proof to this comment so its not hidden in the comments. Someone else’s comment not mine but it does include the source and the exact quote everyones contesting.
The CoP recognizes that AEΠ’s success is rooted in a dual approach to Jewish identity – conveying a powerful sense of ethnic belonging and peoplehood, while at the same time providing educational and religious programming to undergraduates worldwide. And,** in defining Zionism as a central component of Jewish identity**, AEΠ makes support and advocacy for the State of Israel a critical focus of our programs and policies.
https://aepi.org/the_lion/spring-2019/letter-from-the-supreme-master/
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i dunno how frat has any influence, other than the alumini donors, which often are as they are still students.
Like, if their organization had hosted a speaker from the IDF or tried to coordinate group trips to Israel or put out dumbass statements about Israel and Palestine, people should link to that and then I am 100% ok with attacking them for that shit, because hazing and other kinds of hierarchical violence are totally symptoms of colonizer cultures, but just seeing the word “Jewish” in the article and jumping to that assumption isn’t OK
It not the article writer fault that the creator of that organization self identify as Jewish not zionists. It is their creators who try to conflate israel with jews
There’s nothing in the article or this comment section to support that claim, you can’t just flip out every time you hear about a Jewish organization
You guys spend this much time defending zionist bro… Idk… If i was jewish i’d be as far away from that concept as humanly possible, its pretty clear you’re becoming a scapegoat for international rage(again). That would make me defensive too but maybe thats part of the trap? idk but Israel sure is becoming a pretty serious PR problem for jews around the world. I don’t know what i can do to help at this stage except stop doing what ever this is? Seek your own evidence before you immediately poopoo post
https://aepi.org/the_lion/spring-2019/letter-from-the-supreme-master/
I’m not flipping out, I’m reading their own public platform. Their official stance is that Zionism is central to their identity, and the article uses the word ‘Jewish’ because that is literally how the creator defines it. If checking the public record on an organization’s stated positions bothers you, that’s on you
Again, absolutely nothing provided in this article or comment section to support your claim
Is an article supposed to write every single goddamn piece of information about an organization? Because it is not mentioned in the article, it means that what is outside of it is not real? What kind of logic is this? You are doing a classical logical fallacy of appeal to ignorance
It’s one very specific piece of information you’re refusing to provide to back up your baseless allegations
You never asked me to provide the source before this comment, you simply claimed that it is a baseless accusation.
https://aepi.org/the_lion/spring-2019/letter-from-the-supreme-master/
https://www.wmtv15news.com/2026/09/25/alpha-epsilon-pi-headquarters-releases-statement-after-arrest-two-chapter-leaders-madison/
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wtf are you talking about?
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It is disgusting that they removed your comments accusing you of being a jew hater when you only talked about Israel
Zionists on Lemmy maybe?
Total bullshit.
They think moderating public forms is going to solve the vitriol that goes on in private group chats. public opinion is getting pretty dangerous but the more you moderate it the more they go back to private spaces saying ‘see jews control the world’ and it just becomes a snowball. Pretty big snowball currently if ya ask me.
The issue is the mods are playing into the Zionist playbook.
One of the primary reasons Zionists (or even just Israel itself) are able to constantly evade valid criticism and accountability is because of Nazism, which they support. So long as the Nazis of old and new spam-fuck the public discourse with insane Jewish Question arguments and conspiracy theories, Zionists are able to pin every criticism of themselves as “antisemitic Nazi rhetoric”.
It’s one of the main reasons Israel supports the far-right. Its one of the reasons Netanyahu supported and funded Hamas. A perpetual boogieman (albeit real violent groups) they are able to use for endless PR control.
And thus here we are. I offer a valid criticism of Zionists, the mods think I’m Nazi posting when I’m obviously not, and the valid criticism gets removed. Israel has been serviced.
And if I still need to make things painfully obvious to the mods
Israel is not the Jewish people
Zionism is not the ideology of all Jewish people
Criticisms of these two concepts are not directed to the Jewish people
Stop playing into the Zionist playbook
I think 1 out of the hundreds of jews i’ve met in my day was an actual zionist. He coulda been a reddit mod too for all i know, but ya real odd ball guy, and this was over a decade ago. He got hit with that propaganda hard. The zionists lke the nazis really arnt shy about it LOL
Israel does a thing where if you’re jewish they offer for you to come visit Israel, I believe paying for travel and stuff for you, as a way of getting you invested in Israel
They do the same thing with politicians. Thats what the other replies are talking about. I’m not super knowledgeable on this so take what I’m saying with a grain of salt, just trying to make more clear what’s meant by the other replies
https://aepi.org/the_lion/spring-2019/letter-from-the-supreme-master/
this is what they were talking about. If you scroll down to the last 2 paragraphs you’ll see that they shout out zionism and promote it as a value of Judaism
For freshman college students?
I’m pretty sure it’s like a coming of age thing, so yeah I think it might be 🤷🏻♂️ Like I said, just trying to provide context for the answers others are giving, I cannot provide as helpful of an answer as I would like, I really dont know much about this practice
I just thought the other replies didn’t make much sense without providing an explainer of what kind of practice they were actually characterizing
You’re talking about birthright trips, which are organized by Chabad, a super Zionist org but not Israel itself. They’re free 10 day trips they give to college age students. It is not some Jewish “coming of age” thing or whatever weirdness you’re, I assume unintentionally, veering into some gross territory with.
Thank you for providing more context!
And I mean that does kinda sound like they target young adults who are coming of age? Maybe I’m using the term wrong. Am I understanding correctly that you get old enough and the org offers to fly you to Israel to get you invested in Zionism? Does coming of age mean a different or more specific thing?
Sure, that makes sense, but the Jewish bar and bat mizvah ceremonies are literally cultural coming of age traditions, equivalent to a quincinera or confirmation. Thus the immediate ick reaction when you frame chabadniks doing birthright as “coming of age”.
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