European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has said ⁠the European Union is opening the door for Canada to become the first associate member, a status that does not exist under the bloc’s ‌treaties.

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    17 hours ago

    The extra gouvernemental organasition with leader that were never elected find they are the best and must pursue. What a surprise.

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      17 hours ago

      VdL is as elected just as any prime minister in a regular parliamentary democracy. Her Commission can also be voted out of office anytime by the directly elected EP.

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        17 hours ago

        So no citizen vote ? Seem like oligarchy to me.

        Yeah let’s the ruling class choose the mega ruler. It will certainly be in my best interest

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          16 hours ago

          So you support the destruction of the member states as well? Most of them are parliamentary democracies as well.

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            14 hours ago

            Mb ut doesn’t imply the same stuff at country lvl and a t multiple country lvl. I dont think u need public transport to do 500m doesn’t mean I dont think u need public transportation at all

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              12 hours ago

              I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Nor do I have the faintest idea what it has to do with my comment above.

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            17 hours ago

            U had tow type of county in the eu. The one that give money and the other that get money. Unreal u dont know that. Look at how many country give more than they get.

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              Yes, the UK was one of those countries who “give more than they get”. Look where they are now. Why? Because the assholes who argued that they “give more than they get” conveniently forgot to mention all the advantages of being in the EU that are not directly money.

              Please look further than the arguments of your favorite politician.

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                16 hours ago

                Mb all country aren’t the same, mb u dont have to exit eu to refuse to abide to some treaty. Surely the only island of the union is representative of others

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                  The point wasn’t about exiting, the point was that the money flows in and out of the EU from your country doesn’t matter compared to the advantages of the EU.

                  In fact, sending money to the EU to support countries that are poorer in the union is beneficial for the countries sending more, because the stronger the union is, the stronger the advantages of being in the union are.

                  But you’re listening to the talking points of politicians who are against the EU and willing to tell only the parts that make people like you angry at the EU.

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                    14 hours ago

                    The energy market. Not all country have the same infrastructure and energy source. If u choose to privilegiate one source over another one u fuck someone. Specially for mine since all the energy politics were chosen by one gouvernement that had one company that was in charge. With the obligation to open for concurrence it fucked the whole energy market in mine cause even if we have 80% nuclear electricity it s indexed on gaz price cause eu wanted it. And now that the gouvernement doesn’t have the monopole of selling energy they have the one on producing. So we have fake intermediate that sell the same product as the one that take care of the whole network.

                    Just one exemple. I thought saying interest diverge by country was explicatif enought

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                  16 hours ago

                  Once you can just choose to ignore any law you don’t like, laws become meaningless. The treaties are the EU’s primary law.

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                    16 hours ago

                    European treaty work as opt in. It s the default. Not all country follow every eu law.

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              16 hours ago

              So you are saying that the EU is controlled by Germany, yet Germany is the one who has to give? At least get your arguments consistent if you don’t want look like someone merely repeating Russia’s talking points.

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                14 hours ago

                Look at the eu/us export treaty that got made recently. It s motlsy to save car export toward the us. Now tell me which european car brand u see in the us ? Now tell me which european car brand u never saw in the us or just country that doesn’t have that industry.

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                  14 hours ago

                  Cars make up only moderare part of exports to the US, and not all of them are German. Indeed many of the “German” cars are produced all across the EU.

                  Your argument also does not even touch it how supposedly all controlling Germany ends uo paying the most.

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                    13 hours ago

                    Produced doesn’t mean a lot since the sell only goes to one. Also it s significant part of German export.