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Oligarchy Linux likely has so many government-backed backdoors that this one was perhaps a consequence of them.
Lol lmfao even
DHH was too distracted by all the scary people of color in London to worry about security.
CW on that link for bigotry, false statistics, and thinly veiled fascist screeds.
When I explained X11 on FreeBSD to Windows users 25 years ago, I said, “you start from the pretty side and work towards the ugly. I start on the ugly side and make it pretty.”
Omarchy is turning a perfectly decent OS and putting a pig outfit on it and giving it lipstick, then calling it pretty.
hows BSD for everyday use compare to linux?
Relatively the same.
If you use Omarchy, the most important takeaway is simple stop using a system made by fascist?
I wasn’t sure what to make of claims that this random techbro is a fascist, so I decided to look for clues. I found this article from last month in minutes, and after reading it, I require no further convincing. Guy’s a Nazi whether he knows it or not.
also if you listen to 10 seconds of any podcast with him you’ll hear him say the r slur like 20 times. when I first heard about him two or so years ago, this was my first red flag. I immediately paused and checked his blog… yep fucking nazi piece of shit
Not sure I want to ask this - What’s the “r” slur?
If anyone is interested in a more thorough and recent write-up of why many of us call DHH fash, this gnome blog post is pretty good: https://blogs.gnome.org/alatiera/2025/11/06/dhh-and-omarchy-midlife-crisis/
Quote from end of your linked article. Note he talks about humans:
When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them.
😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
EUGHH… fuckin gross…
This guy is complete trash. Does excessive coding rip holes into people’s brains?
There seems to be a notable amount of FOSS coders of the old guard (90s til 00s) that are like that.
I long frequented a place called linuxquestions.org. You wouldn’t believe how right-wing to libertarian most of the people there were. Still are I guess.
Some gained status (Ruby on Rails was a big thing 1 or 2 decades back) and started spouting things because they knew people were listening.
Some people in such communities recognize that there’s something off here, and they have this excuse ready: all coders/nerds are basically on the spectrum (they don’t phrase it like this though) and don’t know how to phrase things politely, they just blurt it out.
As if that makes things better when you think like that guy.
No, because until the dot-com era when “tech bros” first became a thing, a lot of the computing pioneers were leftist/hippie counterculture types. Think MIT AI Lab (RMS), The Homebrew Computer Club (Woz, Captain Crunch), Germany’s Chaos Computer Club, etc.
Further reading:
https://bigthink.com/the-present/1960s-counterculture-created-silicon-valley/
Explain the likes of Curtis Yarvin then. There’s definitely some techno fascists that go back further than dot-com
Not Yarvin though, he’s too young for that. He is exactly a product of (what came after) the dot-com era. That’s when people’s brains started to melt.
You’re entirely right. For some reason I thought he’d been around a lot longer
He said “a lot”, he didn’t say “all”
I explained myself badly and I think that comment reads as more argumentative than I intended.
I meant to say that the countercultural world of the early internet created a lot of the deeply problematic culture of the current moment as well as having a bunch of right-on goodness. The seeds of the bad shit were also there in amongst everything that was good.
The creator and maintainer of NeoVim was also really against removing a DHH endorsement from the NeoVim website and called it cancel culture.
Made me look at helix, which actually works better for my usecase. So I guess I gotta thank him for that?
I’m in the exact same boat as I also switched to helix haha
Guy’s a Nazi whether he knows it or not.
He knows it. He just doesn’t admit it.
He just doesn’t admit it…
publicly.
Ugh, I stopped reading when he segued from wolves being a danger to humans straight into the “gypsy problem” 🤮
Also had a look at the site for this distro, he really seems to like cars and seems to be pretty full of himself about some neither-new-nor-original arch+tiling_wm distro.
segue my friend
Thanks, fixed
WHOA. Bombastic claim there, brah.
He’s a Eugenics aficionado, and racist-ADJACENT
The hard question becomes is it better for Linux (where anyone can contribute labor) to get the attention and donations or for commercial software where only nonhuman corporations benefit.
The more power such people have in such positions, the more money they get, the worse it gets. And the bigger the cult might get, which could suck people into the views and so on. Do not underestimate that.
Omarchy is just a bunch of dotfiles in a Hugo Boss trenchcoat pretending to be a linux distribution.
I don’t get how this project just received 8 million dollars. It really is just a preconfigured arch linux.
It was all just a bunch of rich tech bros that made that $8M investment, with $1M from DHH himself.
Its not the standard investment from another company where they do some due diligence. This was just a “we think this is the future of Linux” vibe investment.
Future of Linux my ass. I want something that works.
Its not the future of Linux, most likely a fad. The most it will be is a cult OS used by people on the far right.
The only thing good I can say about it is that it has interested some people into Linux because of how all of the components are unique compared to Mac and Windows. Cosmic could be the main stream option for those users once it becomes more stable.
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because it’s not about a quality OS, it’s about being a hive for people to take advantage of others, and because the founder personally made connections to the people that publically gave him money.
That’s fucking delicious. I am so not surprised that people who focus only on aesthetics (by that I mean those behind omarchy and hyprland) would fuck up the most basic things where substance has any importance. Aesthetics is for idiots! I will never want the Linux desktop to take over because of coolness, I want the software that attacks important questions to take over. These reactionaries have proven themselves to be utterly incompetent once again, and they will continue to prove their incompetence because they all lack insight and think of themselves as being god’s chosen ones.
My favourite WM has always been dwm. The default keybinds are absolutely awesome, and its default looks are just fine for me. Though it’s not really all that usable without patches/other suckless tools.
why do you have to shit on hyprland? you could have the most boring aesthetic experience on earth but as far as i know this is an omarchy issue, hyprland doesn’t have any vulnerabilities, and it’s not just an aesthetic thing, you can do a lot of shit beyond simply aesthetic on hyprland. security and good looks are not mutually exclusive. and i dont think hyprland is here like “the thing” that will attract users. i don’t see new linux users using hyprland except in this case because it comes preconfigured, otherwise it’s for power users.
I am shitting on Hyprland because DHH, who is responsible for the mess that is Omarchy, is in bed with Vaxry and they both enable each other. I did not say that Hyprland has any vulnerabilities. I said that people who have a hard on for aesthetics do so because they are compensating for a lack of substance most often. I was specifically referring to this privilidge escalation fuck up.
and i dont think hyprland is here like “the thing” that will attract users.
Well, the attempt is made for it to be part of just that. See Omarchy.
it’s for power users.
Almost all programs that implement some sort of GUI the way XFCE or dwm does are for power users, it’s called being on Linux. The exception here is maybe the latest GNOME release. Hyprland is also for the r/UNIXPORN crowd.
this is why openBSD will run the spaceships 20000 years from now if we make it as a species
Are there any hard forks or similar to Hyperland that are for Wayland? I was going to try it on my Pi5 (it is my main “messing with random Linux stuff” device that I don’t care if I break something), but then I saw people talking about the far-right/fascist stuff and didn’t bother. It looked nice when I saw people in random videos running it (wasn’t the focus of the videos and just stood-out).
I know there are other well known tiled window managers which I might end up trying since I keep meaning to see how I take to them. The look of Hyperland is nice with some stacked window manager elements if needed (which I imagine other projects also have). I just don’t know which TWM projects are “better” (for starting with coming from only using SWM). Some level of aesthetics would be nice but am fine with adding after install.
Seconding Niri, but also I’ve seen swayfx setups that have Hyprland-like aesthetics.
If you don’t care about fancy effects, I’ve been a river user for years and I like it. Nowadays it is just a compositor and the WM is separate, but river-classic (which includes a WM) has a dwm-like tag system, is programmatically configured (ie you speak to the river IPC in any language of your choosing—by default it’s a shell script but the WM just executes
~/.config/river/initon startup, so that file can be any executable), and is simple and lightweight. The new 0.4.x release separates the compositor and WM, so you can pick or write your own WM that suits your own workflow/use-case, if that’s your thing—it might not be if you don’t want customisability and you just want something that makes the decisions for you to a good enough standard.Have you checked Niri?
Its time to let go of Ubuntu and Manjaro as meme distros. Omarchy is the new meme.
Honestly it’s not even worth ridiculing, just forget it already
Easier than said, if it gets this much attention, recommendation and money support. We should not ignore it, but tell people (like the linked post). So they can make an informed decision.
Why is Ubuntu a meme distro?
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Ubuntu was my first Linux distro and I liked it back then. I would’ve recommended the old Ubuntu to non-tech-savvy people, or people who want a Linux that “just works” (although back then no Linux “just worked”, there was always at least a bit of debugging for me). However it’s enshittified a lot. A lot of basic software is only available as snaps. It generally feels quite corporate these days.
I wouldn’t take that statement too seriously, some people really like to gatekeep. The simple fact is that Ubuntu has done a lot to make Linux more accessible to a lot of people who otherwise would still be using another OS. That also makes it an easy target for ridicule.
Having said that, they also made a lot of unpopular decisions, especially amongst Linux purists.
I use the word “meme” very lightly here, which is a mixture of hate, second-hand embarrassment, making fun of the distro and its users and so on. For the issues it had in the past and being no longer trustworthy for many. Also people meme about Ubuntu for the Snaps, and the focus on Rust (I personally like Rust…), being best friend with Microsoft and so on.
This isn’t limited to Omarchy. It’s part of the way Docker works.
Do other distros default to placing your user in the docker group though? That’s the issue here.
That I’m not sure about. It’s part of the official install docs for docker, though there is a big scary warning saying that that group gives you root permissions. Either way, I place the fault on docker more than Omarchy directly since it’s a group that gets automatically when you install it on any distro.
It’s part of the official install docs for docker
Not true.
The “add user to docker group” thing is not part of the install instructions (also, there is no official install docs for arch - but that’s a moot point), it’s in a separate document that literally starts with [emphasis mine] “These optional post-installation procedures describe how to configure your Linux host machine to work better with Docker” and contains a big orange box warning about that being part of the docker group is equivalent to being root.
Even if you think the docker doc could trick a newbie into thinking it’s ok to make your user part of the docker group (which I’d argue it doesn’t), you have to consider that:
- distros should be made by people who actually know what they are doing
- people who package something for an arch-based distro should at least read the arch wiki (which also clearly warns about the docker group)
- this whole thing is a very well known issue of a very well known software package, something that anyone who ever used docker with any seriousness (and most of the people who chose podman instead) knows very well
You can say that the whole “docker group” thing is a very stupid idea and that it’s existence is squarely on the docker’s devs, and you could even argue that it’s a trap, but there cannot be any doubt that falling for this trap (that has big “this is a trap!” signs all over) is a major blunder for a distro.
it’s a group that gets automatically when you install it on any distro.
The issue is not the group existing, the issue is your user being part of that group.
Yes, you can make your user part of the docker group if you so chose, but distros should not make that very unwise choice for you per default (just as they shouldn’t set things up to encourage you logging in as root or configure passwordless sudo for your user).
