I don’t know why Iran would be more credible. Counting Israel, the three regimes are all infamous and world-class liars. If we can’t trust the word on any of them in isolation, trusting one over another would be madness.
Hey I’m not trying to attack you, and I did not disagree with the nuclear inspection reports (though technically you didn’t cite that you just pointed vaguely in the direction of where citations would not exist), I just asked for more than one example. You are the one making the claim that every international report says the Iranians have never lied, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, say, three specific examples of those reports.
I’m not looking to debunk, I’m looking to learn and as you have pointed out, Google is only going to show me the propaganda view and not the international reports you have claimed exist that say “EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.”
Absence of reporting from sources other than US news is not evidence of Iran being proven to be telling the truth about every situation they’ve ever talked about. Show me some of these international reports, I would love to read them.
They once posted a photo of a “crashed F-35” that was so obviously AI generated that there were people the size of garden gnomes walking around the cockpit area.
I get what you’re trying to go for here, yes, a lot of what we know about Iran is filtered through Western propaganda, but it’s also true that they lie, and badly, all the time. America being bad didn’t make the Iranian regime good.
Hmm, looks like you’re right. That specific image wasn’t actually circulated by an official Iranian source.
I’ll admit I missed that, because it was so consistent with all of the other messaging coming out of Iran. The image circulated at a time where - with zero evidence to the effect, and a lot of evidence to the contrary - Iran was claiming to have shot down something like four or five Isreal F-35’s. As far as any independent observers can tell the actual number was zero. Then there’s the current conflict where Iran took videos of a wrecked F-15 and claimed it was an F-35, among other obvious lies.
I’ll freely grant you that specific case; we all get caught out sometimes. But you’re the one trying to argue that Iran, a nation with a long history of proven blatant falsehoods in their official messaging, are some kind of paragons of truth. That doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t also lie like crazy. A lot of nations do. It just means you’re in idiot if you go buying into this teenage morality idea that “US bad = Iran good.” They’re an autocratic regime that lies reflexively… Just like the Trump administration. Anything they say has to be treated with a baseline level of suspicion, and it’s absurd to argue otherwise.
Iranian state media, quoting military sources, reported that two F-35I Adirs were intercepted and downed by Iranian air defense units during or immediately after their bombing run on targets near Natanz and other strategic installations. One of the pilots, described as a female aviator, was allegedly captured after ejecting over Iranian territory. Iranian Press TV wasted no time in proclaiming this as a global first: “Iran has earned the distinction of being the first country in the world to successfully shoot down fifth-generation fighter jets belonging to the Zionist regime.”
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Yeah, I do not trust anything the American government or its media say at this point.
I don’t know why Iran would be more credible. Counting Israel, the three regimes are all infamous and world-class liars. If we can’t trust the word on any of them in isolation, trusting one over another would be madness.
But the original comment wasn’t trusting Iran, it was mistrusting the US.
If Iran said “yea, you can come through now, trust me bro” then I’d be suspicious.
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Please accompany your reminder with sources
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That’s one subject. I’m not disagreeing with you, simply asking for broader citations for your broad claim.
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Hey I’m not trying to attack you, and I did not disagree with the nuclear inspection reports (though technically you didn’t cite that you just pointed vaguely in the direction of where citations would not exist), I just asked for more than one example. You are the one making the claim that every international report says the Iranians have never lied, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, say, three specific examples of those reports.
I’m not looking to debunk, I’m looking to learn and as you have pointed out, Google is only going to show me the propaganda view and not the international reports you have claimed exist that say “EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.”
Absence of reporting from sources other than US news is not evidence of Iran being proven to be telling the truth about every situation they’ve ever talked about. Show me some of these international reports, I would love to read them.
They once posted a photo of a “crashed F-35” that was so obviously AI generated that there were people the size of garden gnomes walking around the cockpit area.
I get what you’re trying to go for here, yes, a lot of what we know about Iran is filtered through Western propaganda, but it’s also true that they lie, and badly, all the time. America being bad didn’t make the Iranian regime good.
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Hmm, looks like you’re right. That specific image wasn’t actually circulated by an official Iranian source.
I’ll admit I missed that, because it was so consistent with all of the other messaging coming out of Iran. The image circulated at a time where - with zero evidence to the effect, and a lot of evidence to the contrary - Iran was claiming to have shot down something like four or five Isreal F-35’s. As far as any independent observers can tell the actual number was zero. Then there’s the current conflict where Iran took videos of a wrecked F-15 and claimed it was an F-35, among other obvious lies.
I’ll freely grant you that specific case; we all get caught out sometimes. But you’re the one trying to argue that Iran, a nation with a long history of proven blatant falsehoods in their official messaging, are some kind of paragons of truth. That doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t also lie like crazy. A lot of nations do. It just means you’re in idiot if you go buying into this teenage morality idea that “US bad = Iran good.” They’re an autocratic regime that lies reflexively… Just like the Trump administration. Anything they say has to be treated with a baseline level of suspicion, and it’s absurd to argue otherwise.
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https://boltflight.com/f-35-shootdown-controversy-iran-claims-historic-kill-of-israeli-stealth-jets-amid-rising-regional-tensions/
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