Jeff Bezos started Amazon and worked to expand it for decades. The company didn’t make a profit for something like 20 years (but kept raising money and expanding). Sounds like labor to me
Profit can be distorted based on how much personnel are being paid.
If you’re seriously trying to argue Bezos earned his wealth, then you’re part of the problem and I hope more people hold you socially accountable for it.
The difference between the wealth they created and the wealth they received was still the product of their labor, not Jeff Bezos. Do you think Lockheed shareholders got us to the moon, and not ya know, the engineers and scientists?
Nah, you get temporary conditional privileges to use my thing. And I decide the price because I’m the only company that makes the thing because I’ve used all of my previous exploitation of you to buy out all of my competitors and buy your government.
If everyone wants to live in NYC, but NYC only fits a limited number of people it can only go two ways.
Either you develop more housing or the prices go up. Trying to manufacture a solution out of thin air like rent freezes is only going to delay the inevitable in the long run.
Problem is by now, I don’t get that thing anymore. i get a freaking licence to use it for some time, and when you decide I don’t own that licence anymore you got my money and I have nothing
I do where I can, but often it is not possible to
a) find something you can actually buy, and call it your own.
b) you still don’t know if the creator t turns a darth vader on you and tells you “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further”
And the best thing: uf they brick it or move features behind a paywall (with an update after you “bought” it) and you circumvent their “security” to restore the function YOU are the criminal. Nice thing isn’t it?
If you buy a thing that relies on a service, you didn’t really buy it. That’s why I buy stuff like the steam deck that I can run any OS on. I refuse to buy a device I don’t own
I try to as well…but it really reduces options. E.g. I do try to source my eBooks and audiobooks without DRM and theres a lot of stuff you can’t get that way, so the only way to actually buy them is to “buy” them on a platform (e.g. audible) and use 3rd party tools to remove the drm (which is against their ToC)
Also a lot of corporate tools are moving to cloud only, windows, office365, atlassian, adobe etc. and unfortunately, it’s not easy to get the higher ups to see the issues with that
And it’s not only services. Everything with an internet connection can be altered…e.g. HP updated their printerfirmware to not longer allow non-HP ink cartridges (and no I don’t own an HP). Bambu lab closed their api, preventing the users to use 3rd-party tools. Theoretically valve could close down your bootloader and then you’re fucked (they probably won’t, but still, the point stands)
If I sell you a thing, it’s no longer your money, it’s my money. You get a thing that is now your thing.
Do you think billionaires got their money through their own labor?
Jeff Bezos started Amazon and worked to expand it for decades. The company didn’t make a profit for something like 20 years (but kept raising money and expanding). Sounds like labor to me
Profit can be distorted based on how much personnel are being paid.
If you’re seriously trying to argue Bezos earned his wealth, then you’re part of the problem and I hope more people hold you socially accountable for it.
Do you think the millions of underpaid workers had anything to do with it?
They were paid the wage they signed the contract for. Underpaid scoring to whom?
The difference between the wealth they created and the wealth they received was still the product of their labor, not Jeff Bezos. Do you think Lockheed shareholders got us to the moon, and not ya know, the engineers and scientists?
If employees create negative wealth because the project fails, do they have to pay it back?
Oh, you only want employees to have 100% of the profit, with 0% of any loss
Idk why you’re licking boots without even being asked to.
The question was “whose labor do billionaires get their wealth from” and the answer is “the workers”
Nah, you get temporary conditional privileges to use my thing. And I decide the price because I’m the only company that makes the thing because I’ve used all of my previous exploitation of you to buy out all of my competitors and buy your government.
Free market so good
Yes, that’s how renting works. If you don’t want to rent, then buy
Same energy as “if you don’t want to be poor, be rich”.
If everyone wants to live in NYC, but NYC only fits a limited number of people it can only go two ways.
Either you develop more housing or the prices go up. Trying to manufacture a solution out of thin air like rent freezes is only going to delay the inevitable in the long run.
It’s easier to make money if you have money.
Problem is by now, I don’t get that thing anymore. i get a freaking licence to use it for some time, and when you decide I don’t own that licence anymore you got my money and I have nothing
Then purchase said thing if you don’t like it
I do where I can, but often it is not possible to
a) find something you can actually buy, and call it your own. b) you still don’t know if the creator t turns a darth vader on you and tells you “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further”
And the best thing: uf they brick it or move features behind a paywall (with an update after you “bought” it) and you circumvent their “security” to restore the function YOU are the criminal. Nice thing isn’t it?
If you buy a thing that relies on a service, you didn’t really buy it. That’s why I buy stuff like the steam deck that I can run any OS on. I refuse to buy a device I don’t own
I try to as well…but it really reduces options. E.g. I do try to source my eBooks and audiobooks without DRM and theres a lot of stuff you can’t get that way, so the only way to actually buy them is to “buy” them on a platform (e.g. audible) and use 3rd party tools to remove the drm (which is against their ToC)
Also a lot of corporate tools are moving to cloud only, windows, office365, atlassian, adobe etc. and unfortunately, it’s not easy to get the higher ups to see the issues with that
And it’s not only services. Everything with an internet connection can be altered…e.g. HP updated their printerfirmware to not longer allow non-HP ink cartridges (and no I don’t own an HP). Bambu lab closed their api, preventing the users to use 3rd-party tools. Theoretically valve could close down your bootloader and then you’re fucked (they probably won’t, but still, the point stands)
And again
Amazon prevents you to
Great, those are closed source programs and I avoid them anyway.
I can pirate the stuff that is not available without drm because fck drm.
I only support companies that are pro-consumer and valve had earned my trust.