WideEyedStupid

Fucking hell.

This was an execution.

Homeland defense? Are they saying they’ll be fighting their own people even more than they already are?

Yeah, seriously, the media are so complicit in all this.

Killing people in the street, kidnapping people from their cars, detaining kids and documented immigrants, raiding homes without warrants, dragging people out of their homes in their underwear in sub-zero temperatures, not letting lawmakers inside concentration camps, the fact that there are concentration camps at all, etc… that’s what people are protesting and those things are not ‘enforcement.’

That’s a curious way to spell “kill.”

Fair, it’s not a new term. I was born in the 80’ies, I’m familiar with the concept.

However, it’s now being used with new bullshit meaning (i.e. going outside the Google/Apple app and their own offered selection), and media are normalizing this use.

You know, it’s very possible, because I’ve never actually read an entire EULA, I don’t think.

Ah, the “if you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear”-people. They’re a fun bunch indeed.

You are absolutely right!

You’re right. But it seems worse than that somehow. I’ve seen many people say they support the death penalty because it keeps other people safe, to “remove” murderers from society and such. But it’s so disingenuous.

We can already remove dangers from our society, in less… final ways. We can lock them up, or have them admitted to institutions in cases of mental health issues. We can rehabilitate them whenever possible, which also removes the danger.

But no, that’s not good enough. These people think they absolutely have to die. They want other people to be murdered by the state. They want it so much that they are willing to sacrifice a bunch of innocent people to satisfy their own bloodlust.

It’s worse than ignoring it, it’s actively seeking it out for their murderous desires.

I fucking hate that word. It’s not ‘sideloading’ to install on my own device what I want to install, to use the apps I want to use; to not use the apps I don’t want to use. I am not ‘sideloading’ anything when I install programs on my PC. No different on my phone.

Fuck off with all these new bullshit terms that are only used to imply that what we’re doing (with our own devices) is somehow outside the norm, to justify the constant enshittifcation and the growing stranglehold these corporations want on our lives. It’s infuriating.

That’s such a weird thing to say, as well, because when innocent people are being killed by the state there is no justice. I often wonder if people even think about what they’re saying, or if they’re just regurgitating shit they heard somewhere.

The cost of justice is… injustice? Make it make sense.

I know you’re making a joke, but the Nazis actually ran into the exact same issue.

The Einsatzgruppen (death squads) had the problem that executing so many people was ‘demoralizing’ to the troops. They started to suffer from mental health problems. It’s not surprising, is it? Even with all the propaganda, even believing they were only murdering ‘lebensunwertiges Leben’ (life unworthy of life), killing so many scared, crying people, including children, takes a toll. Oh and it also costs a lot of bullets.

Because of this the Nazis started using gas vans to kill people. But even that was a problem, because the soldiers were getting traumatized when they had to empty all the bodies out of the vans. So they started using prisoners to do that work…

But well, it was all very inefficient and slow and expensive. And that’s how we eventually ended up with fully industrialized death camps with gas chambers and crematoria (of course with prisoners doing all the dirty work because why the hell not).

Einsatzgruppen.

No, that person would be delusional until he can find enough other people who believe the same thing to become a religion. :p

Don’t get me wrong, I think religious people are delusional. It’s just that society doesn’t treat them that way, because we have somehow convinced ourselves that mass delusions are special.

Anyway, it’s clear we pretty much agree except on the definition of the word ‘religion.’ Shall we just leave it at that? ;)

See and we differ in this. In my eyes I would be delusional.

Something becomes a religion when the delusion reaches some kind of critical mass where it’s suddenly accepted and legitimized; where the followers are suddenly no longer laughed at like the village idiot, but taken seriously and protected by society because for some reason ‘we should respect every religion;’ where the organization suddenly gets tax breaks and political power.

The delusional get ridicule, or maybe medications. The organized delusional get religious exemptions and their own public holidays. Village idiots aren’t dangerous. Millions of them organizing, well, there’s christianity.

Alright, so if I really believed an invisible purple elephant controlled people around me, in your eyes I would be religious?

Well, excusez-moi, I didn’t know imaginary utopias were part of this discussion. At least in that we are 100% agreed, that’s what I would want too.

Although technically, 10 million people with individual beliefs is exactly what you describe. It’s not a religion until it’s organized. :p

You know I’m not even really arguing against what you said, right? It’s a matter of degree.

I’d rather be surrounded by 10 million people who all have their own personal beliefs (however problematic that might be in your eyes), than by 10 million members of one big religion that has the will and power to try and force me to live by their rules.

Well, you’re right that believing bullshit without a good reason can be a problem. A big problem. For example, anti-vaxers. But even there, individual anti-vaxers aren’t much of a problem (except to themselves and maybe their kids). It’s only when they start organizing and occupying power positions where they can change laws and endanger everyone else that they become an actual issue.

Then again, many people believe many things without evidence, but a lot of it doesn’t really harm anyone else. Believing something in itself isn’t necessarily an issue.

I could believe that an invisible purple elephant controls the people around me, and it wouldn’t hurt anyone else. They’d laugh at me when I told them, but that’s about the end of it. People can believe whatever bullshit they want for themselves. As long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else, do/think/believe whatever the fuck you want. When you believe in some wizard on a cloud who controls and judges your life, that’s your problem. But when you find millions of others who believe the same crap and then you organize and try to force your beliefs on others, that’s the problem.

Belief =/= religion.

This is because there is a huge difference between belief and religion. Belief is personal. Religion is organized.

When it’s organized you get problems with dogma, corruption, power, money, bad people abusing this power as a means to control, and the steps they are willing to take to make sure the organization survives.

And when you can convince millions of people that you’re doing God’s work… well then you can get away with anything, and you can make people do/accept anything. Look at all the shit organized religion has done throughout history. I think nobody/nothing surpasses that body count.

For protesting to work, it has to be disruptive. Read: not violent, but disruptive.

If you only protest when and where it’s allowed, then you’re not really bothering people (because if it were bothering the right people, it wouldn’t be allowed). Block streets, block businesses, block and bother people who want to go shopping, so they stay or go home and businesses lose money. AND KEEP IT UP. Don’t go home after one afternoon and give yourself a pat on the back. Stay there day in, day out, and don’t let up.

More importantly: STRIKE. Stop making money for the owner class. Strike and make sure other people can’t keep making money for the owner class. Let garbage pile up in the street, let packages go undelivered, let the bit of public transport you have stand still, stop cleaning those toilets, stop building those shiny new office buildings. STRIKE until they listen to you, hurt them until they listen to you.

Basically you need to grind society to a halt and force them to listen to you. Don’t be a tiny nuisance they can ignore for a day or two until things go back to normal. Why would they respond to that?

And for the love of everything that’s good, don’t give me the bullshit excuse of not having enough money, of not being able to lose your job, not having a social safety net. Throughout all of history, all over the world, there have been protests, riots, rebellions, revolutions – do you think all those people had job security and social safety nets? Let’s be honest about this: it’s just not bad enough for most people, that’s why it’s not happening.