I mean, insider trading is no longer a perk during a collapse.

Party leadership refused to see the actual political reality and did what they wanted instead of adapting to it.

centrists know that money is for netanyahu and won’t use it for anyone else’s benefit.

When Bernie wasn’t given a chance by the DNC in the primaries in 2016, the Bernie supporters flocked to vote Trump. The Sanders to Trump pipeline is real.

clinton supporters formed a literal PAC to get mccain elected because they hated the idea of a black president that much.

Republicans don’t vote for democrats either, but the party keeps courting them anyway.

Wait, so the MAGAs in the Red states won’t raise their own state minimum wages, and they vote down EVERY minimum wage legislation,

Because of that, those of us who committed the grievous sin of being outnumbered by maga chuds have to rely on the national party’s willingness to get any increase in the minimum wage. Our state parties are useless, and it’s a good chunk of why our states remain red. Their leaders are more interested in preserving their positions within a losing party than in winning. Democrats in blue states see their legislators working for them. Democrats in red states see no one at all working for them, even when democrats have a majority. They see a party that has abandoned them, completely and utterly.

and because one turncoat Democrat voted along with the MAGAs, you are going to blame ALL Democrats for it?

It wasn’t just one. 8 members of the Democratic Caucus were willing to go on the record as voting against working Americans. And because most of them are from blue states that already have minimum wage increases, their constituents won’t care since they already got theirs. Almost a fifth of the caucus. And those are just the ones who were comfortable enough in their seats to go on the record as hating workers. If the party needed more to block an increase, they would find more.

Even though they brought up the legislation and tried to pass it

Sanders brought it up. Sanders is not a democrat, as democrats are happy to use as an excuse for their reprehensible anti-democratic behavior in 2016.

Besides, why should Democrats save Red State voters from themselves?

Because they allegedly want to flip those states. Because compassion for your fellow humans doesn’t end in your own community. This “got mine, fuck you” mindset so prevalent in the democratic party’s republican-adjacent wing goes a long way toward explaining why centrists thought genocide was no big deal. It’s not in their backyard, so it’s not a problem.

But you keep telling yourself that MAGAs are good for workers,

I never said that. Of course they’re worse. I don’t want democrats to continue converging toward being like them. Which is where you and I clearly differ.

If seven BLUE states tried, and failed, why do you blame Democrats for the loss?

Good lord, you deliberately misunderstand everything. The states that voted no ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL already had higher minimum wage AT THE STATE LEVEL so they and their constituents didn’t give a shit about anyone else.

In any case, EVERY single state that is still stuck at $7.25 (or lower), is a Red State, while not a single Blue state remains at $7.25.

Which is why it’s never happening at the national level. You got yours. Fuck everyone else.

I can’t stand Sinema, she was a traitor to her party and to America

She didn’t screw over workers hard enough for you. No one ever can.

She was NEVER leading the Democrats in any way - exactly the opposite is true.

Yeah, that’s what I said. She was following the party when she fucked over workers.

so I don’t understand how she is responsible for it, or why you seem to think she is leading the Democrats in DENYING (?) an increase in the minimum wage.

Do I have to show you the video of her thumbs down?

And no, she wasn’t leading the democrats in making sure the workers you want to stay poor stay poor. She was carrying out the party’s agenda when she made sure to cheat workers out of wages for you.

Sinema didn’t enter Congress until 2019, a decade later. NOBODY has raised the Federal Minimum Wage before or after Sinema

They pretended to try in 2021. Sinema and 7 others, mainly from blue states that already had increased minimum wages, were willing to go on the record as hating workers. Those were only the ones willing to put their names down. There will always be enough anti-worker members of the party to do what you want and block minimum wage increases for you.

Here’s a suggestion - figure out what the fuck you’re talking about,

Stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with you doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

Dude, you keep trying to make Sinema relevant, she’s sooo not.

National minimum wage hasn’t gone up since she stood with you and against workers. Her thumbs down remains the definitive final message from democrats to the workers they only pretend to want to help.

You’re like that MAGA

“everyone to my left is all the way to my right. I get to call you a traitor while I stan for anyone who votes to keep millions in poverty”

i meant that conservatives are going to hate her no matter what.

Some of them may even be republicans.

You can struggle all you want to make Sinema the face of the Democratic Party

None has been more clear on labor.

biden’s appearance on one picket line was a photo op to try to gloss over how he had broken the rail strike.

And “Class Traitor?” WTF is that? What “Class” do you think I belong to that I am betraying?

Oh, you don’t like being called a traitor? Or is it only ok to use that word when you’re using it to claim that anyone to your left must be all the way to your right?

I don’t disagree with you that democrats need to be doing more. But when half of the country seems committed to tearing the country apart, passing multiple pieces of meaningful legislation (don’t forget things like Build Back Better) sadly feels like a high bar.

Oh, I haven’t forgotten about how democrats gutted build back better of any tangible individual benefit except for 10 discounted drugs for boomers who already got theirs.

And I apologize for the accusatory tone, I know that’s not something directly in your control.

Not accepted. You are fine with me suffering as long as you’re comfortable.

But let’s also be honest, the Republicans are the ones preventing Healthcare expansion in your state

And I deserve it because I’m outnumbered. Democrats doing nothing to rectify the problem their overcomplicated half measure caused is my fault because I’m from a red state so I deserve bankruptcy and death.

democrats may not be perfect, but they’re not the ones holding power in your state.

They had power at the national level. They chose to help netanyahu with that power instead, since it’s their only fucking priority.

That’s not the democrats fault.

They didn’t pursue it at all during the most recent majority. Yes, it absolutely is their fault for not even trying at all.

My only hope is that democrats on the national level will stop being useless on purpose some day. My state is run by republicans and their opposition is more concerned with opposing progressives in primaries than winning general elections. I have no choice but to count on democrats to keep their campaign promises.

Since I deserve to go bankrupt and die for being outnumbered, according to you.

Sinema was never any kind representative of the Dems.

Then they need a new messenger, because her thumbs down is the entire democratic message to workers.

Stop thinking like a MAGA Traitor

Stop acting like a class traitor.

I remember having to go through that, please not again

People in red states still have to go through that. Democrats don’t care at all.

EDIT: If they cared, they would have revisited the public option or attempted to close the loophole that lets red states opt out of medicaid expansion when they had a majority. They got theirs, so they don’t give a shit.

Red states are still stuck at the Federal level of $7.25, but Blue states are higher, often twice as high or even higher.

The message to working people in red states is “we got ours, fuck you.”

It’s the Dems that have been working to lift wages and support unions and workers’ rights.

It’s the dems whose final message to working people was Sinema’s thumbs down.

Are you paying attention at all? Dems are constantly taking fire for the very poor choice of the phrase “Defund the Police,” which MAGA was happy to smear Dems with.

And dems were happy to have the excuse to, as biden gleefully said in a state of the union address “Fund the police!” He was clearly eager to get back to the brutal status quo. And he got a standing ovation for it.

There’s a big difference between not wanting something, and not accomplishing something. The Dems WANT all those things,

Enough lies. Democrats have been claiming to want things and then doing nothing to pursue them for decades. They dropped everything for netanyahu’s slightest whim, since it what they wanted to do. It’s the only time I’ve seen them chuck incrementalism out the window. It’s the only time I’ve seen them actually stand for something in the face of pushback.

If democrats were a quarter as serious about keeping their campaign promises as they were about giving netanyahu whatever he wanted, you wouldn’t be like “we totally wanted to do what we voted against. bEhInD tHe ScEnEs.”

biden just barely beat trump and knew he couldn’t beat anyone else.

Of course the biden doj slow walked everything.

10 million strong and growing.

On the contrary, legislators like Gilibrand are saying overtly Islamophobic shit and no one in the party leadership is saying anything is less than perfect about it.

That’s why they didn’t really give up, but switched to harping on bathroom bills and “men in women’s sports”.

I’m so glad democrats circled the wagons around vulnerable minorities on this one. Can you imagine if they just ignored it and let republicans set the narrative, or worse, ran the “men in women’s sports” hate in their own ads?