• technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    I’m just so grateful that all the previous presidents refused to do this and setup safeguards to ensure that Trump will be punished. \s \s \s

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      Previous presidents are only part of the equation.

      The other part is having a society that isn’t stupid enough to elect a felon rapist pedophile insurrectionist.

      The situation we find ourselves in is as much American’s fault as it is our politicians. Actually moreso, since those politicians are only there because of American’s decisions.

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        The alternative was an outright jingoist who ran to the right of Trump on foreign policy, insisting that she would massively ramp up military spending and build “the most lethal military in the world.” Given the history of Democrats with how much Biden and Obama loved drone strikes, it is rather disconnected from reality to think that Democrats wouldn’t be bombing as well.

        Foreign policy is something that Democrats and Republicans have always agreed upon, have always been warmongering parties and CNN and Fox News always come to agree on every war the US ever gets involved in. There literally wasn’t an option to avoid US imperialist wars.

        Well, there are third parties, but if you talk about voting for third parties then everyone will claim a third party is secretly a vote for Trump and then try to paint you as equivalent to Trump supporter.

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          Ehh… Wouldn’t put it past him having told some engineer to rig it and boast about rigging the election, all while the engineer did fuck all, because they were just a janitor fixing the thermostat in the office of some rich douchebag high on ketamine.

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        It’s truly more complicated than that. The USA electoral system is weird worldwide, but more than weird, it’s antiquated and by design, by tradition, very prone to be manipulated, and this goes from the caucus system to the elections themselves.

        It’s set up for the people to feel they are actually choosing leaders, but the reality is the political representation is only achieved for an increasingly narrow economical and ideological subset of the people. The American political class is very conservative, and it always breaks my heart that many Democrats feel offended when people from other countries, like me, point this out.

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          European countries have a variety of electoral systems, and to my knowledge right wing parties are gaining significant vote share in all of them. Is there a country whose electoral system you see as best helping them deal with populist reactionary figures?

          I am currently a proponent of ranked choice voting - Australia is the country I know of with the most widespread use example. They aren’t magically utopian, but it seems to be helping there. Always on the lookout to learn new things, though, so interested in pointers.

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            15 hours ago

            European countries have a mindset of colonialist countries that will try to reach for their roots. Unfortunately, that’s part of their political struggle. I actually like the way it is in my country, Mexico. You have one 6-year term only, you can’t have any re-elections, ever. It’s possible to ask for a referendum in the middle of the term, in case the person in chair is not doing as they promised. In the legislative power, we don’t have dinosaurs thanks to this, politicians can go from lower to higher level cameras in this bicameral legislative power, but that’s it. “No reelection” is ingrained with blood in our culture. Of course, electoral systems can only do so much against populist reactionaries, as you put it.

            I like the idea of ranked choice voting a lot, but I don’t know how viable that is for the USA. They need change, urgently, and ranked choice voting would be as good as it gets in terms of change.

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            15 hours ago

            The people have done what they can. Politicians have failed to them. That’s why Trump was headed to last 4 years in power only, and then the Democrats handed him, on a silver plate, another presidential term by being essentially equal to their rivals. As I see it, the political class is the one failing, by showing the people there is not a real path for a leftist government once and again. Americans need brutal leftist politicians as they have brutal right-wing ones in spades. The people is eager to support a younger Sanders-like face, someone that won’t compromise the benefit of the majority’s views.

      • nomy@lemmy.zip
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        The ruling/owner class has waged a decades-long war to undo the forward momentum of the New Deal.

        There’s plenty of blame to go around, but most of it belongs to generational wealth and the “haves” not the average person brainwashed by poorly funded and heavily propagandized public education.