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Sure, if Ukraine had kept their nukes and maintained them, they might not be in this current position.
But anyway, I was responding to the post that said “they’re [Ukraine] in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain”.
In my view that just isn’t true. Their current position is not “solely” because they put faith into western powers who haven’t delivered. Their current position is happening because the Kremlin decided to invade Ukraine. I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine, but western powers didn’t make Russia invade Ukraine. It also seems to me that western powers probably have upheld “their side of the bargain” under the Budapest Memorandum, although like I say, I hope western powers do more to help Ukraine.
Actually it’s your post that doesn’t matter. If you actually read my posts, you’ll see that I originally was responding to this post:
Lol, I wonder when Ukrainians will connect the dots that they’re in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain.
I’m saying Ukraine’s current position is not “solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain”. Two reasons for this:
Even if you think “western powers” haven’t fulfilled “their side of the bargain”, this wouldn’t be the sole reason for Ukraine’s position. Another probably more important reason is that Russia chose to invade Ukraine.
Arguably “western powers”, under the Budapest Memorandum, did fulfil “their side of the bargain”. The US and the UK (parties to the Budapest Memorandum) didn’t seem to commit to fighting a war if Ukraine came under attack. That being said, I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine at the moment.
Now do you understand it?
Edit: I was rude in this post originally but I’ve taken away some of the rudeness. To be honest, the post I’m responding to is incredibly rude. Clearly the person who wrote that DID NOT READ WHAT I WROTE.
You’re arguing with a point no one is really making. Yes, we get it, they aren’t obligated to deliver more than they did.
We understand you, you’re technically correct and it’s very irrelevant. You’re arguing over the specific words someone chose when they started a sentence with “Lol”, they were probably sitting on a toilet, this isn’t an academic paper.
Instead of laser focusing on the exact wording they used in a throwaway online comment, try to focus on what they mean. You said it yourself:
If you think the US and UK didn’t do enough in this regard then fair enough
Do you think Ukraine would have given up their Nukes if they believed in good faith that they would “do enough” when they are invaded?
And btw, you also said
but I don’t their actions were as bad as Russia invading Ukraine.
Which again is a point no one is making. Yeah, of course Russia is to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. If Ukraine had Nukes, Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. It was a bad idea for Ukraine’s independence to give up their nukes, that’s the argument being made.
Sure, if Ukraine had kept their nukes and maintained them, they might not be in this current position.
But anyway, I was responding to the post that said “they’re [Ukraine] in this position solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain”.
In my view that just isn’t true. Their current position is not “solely” because they put faith into western powers who haven’t delivered. Their current position is happening because the Kremlin decided to invade Ukraine. I absolutely hope that western powers do more to help Ukraine, but western powers didn’t make Russia invade Ukraine. It also seems to me that western powers probably have upheld “their side of the bargain” under the Budapest Memorandum, although like I say, I hope western powers do more to help Ukraine.
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Actually it’s your post that doesn’t matter. If you actually read my posts, you’ll see that I originally was responding to this post:
I’m saying Ukraine’s current position is not “solely because they put their faith into western powers that didn’t deliver on their side of the bargain”. Two reasons for this:
Now do you understand it?
Edit: I was rude in this post originally but I’ve taken away some of the rudeness. To be honest, the post I’m responding to is incredibly rude. Clearly the person who wrote that DID NOT READ WHAT I WROTE.
You’re arguing with a point no one is really making. Yes, we get it, they aren’t obligated to deliver more than they did.
We understand you, you’re technically correct and it’s very irrelevant. You’re arguing over the specific words someone chose when they started a sentence with “Lol”, they were probably sitting on a toilet, this isn’t an academic paper.
Instead of laser focusing on the exact wording they used in a throwaway online comment, try to focus on what they mean. You said it yourself:
Do you think Ukraine would have given up their Nukes if they believed in good faith that they would “do enough” when they are invaded?
And btw, you also said
Which again is a point no one is making. Yeah, of course Russia is to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. If Ukraine had Nukes, Russia wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine. It was a bad idea for Ukraine’s independence to give up their nukes, that’s the argument being made.
Now do you understand it?