I really just goes to the “Is prison a punishment, a rehabilitation system, or a deterrence”. If someone isn’t rehabilitated after 10 years, then they also won’t be after 20 (IMO). And there are lots of studies that show lengthy sentences don’t really function as a deterrence due to human brains poorly conceptualizing 5 vs 10 vs 15 vs 20 years. At some point it’s just “A long time in jail” and advocating for 10 vs 20 years doesn’t benefit the deterrence aspect. Also, your average violent criminal isn’t thinking “Well I WOULD rape her if it was only 5 years, but since it will be 10, I won’t”
So then it’s just about punishment. And 10 years in jail is a very very intense punishment. Forced to choose, I would take a LOT of other punishments to not have to spend the next 10 years in jail which, for what it’s worth, often leads to rape from others in the prison.
The survey of 27,541 state and federal inmates found that some 4.1 percent of adult prison inmates reported being sexually victimized in state and federal prisons during the prior 12 months
So yeah still quite common. At least in American federal prisons.
Well, no. It’s mainly about keeping the public safe from his continuing predations.
Amazing you left that out, when not being free to roam and hurt others is the primary issue survivors care about, and they ALL sleep better when their attacker is behind bars. How is that benefit to society even missing?
I don’t give two shits what happens to him personally, but from the moment of remand forward, the number of women he will be able to rape drops immediately from unlimited to pretty much zero.
Yeah that’s a fair point. No point in being a dick about it though.
I don’t give two shits what happens to him personally
So, if there was a magic wand that made every rape convict magically incapable of sexual violence, you would be ok with them being set free with no time served?
That’s a nonsensical equivalence. Saying I don’t care about what happens to Brand personally != not caring about his personal effect on other individuals or society. That I do, and specifically how, I have already made clear.
I really just goes to the “Is prison a punishment, a rehabilitation system, or a deterrence”. If someone isn’t rehabilitated after 10 years, then they also won’t be after 20 (IMO). And there are lots of studies that show lengthy sentences don’t really function as a deterrence due to human brains poorly conceptualizing 5 vs 10 vs 15 vs 20 years. At some point it’s just “A long time in jail” and advocating for 10 vs 20 years doesn’t benefit the deterrence aspect. Also, your average violent criminal isn’t thinking “Well I WOULD rape her if it was only 5 years, but since it will be 10, I won’t”
So then it’s just about punishment. And 10 years in jail is a very very intense punishment. Forced to choose, I would take a LOT of other punishments to not have to spend the next 10 years in jail which, for what it’s worth, often leads to rape from others in the prison.
From working in some prisons not in America the rwpe isn’t really a thing anymore. There are enough willing people.
According to this
So yeah still quite common. At least in American federal prisons.
Real numbers are higher for sure than 4.1%, but i actually expected it to be worse if you look at how US prisons are run.
Yeah, he’ll probably be disappointed.
Well, no. It’s mainly about keeping the public safe from his continuing predations.
Amazing you left that out, when not being free to roam and hurt others is the primary issue survivors care about, and they ALL sleep better when their attacker is behind bars. How is that benefit to society even missing?
I don’t give two shits what happens to him personally, but from the moment of remand forward, the number of women he will be able to rape drops immediately from unlimited to pretty much zero.
Yeah that’s a fair point. No point in being a dick about it though.
So, if there was a magic wand that made every rape convict magically incapable of sexual violence, you would be ok with them being set free with no time served?
That’s a nonsensical equivalence. Saying I don’t care about what happens to Brand personally != not caring about his personal effect on other individuals or society. That I do, and specifically how, I have already made clear.