- cross-posted to:
- linux@programming.dev
- cross-posted to:
- linux@programming.dev
Ikey Doherty, the creator of Solus and AerynOS, is back with Barney, a Rust tool that builds Linux distros from source. So that you can easily create your own Omarchy.
In a video posted on YouTube, the creator of Solus and AerynOS called the money behind DHH’s distro absurd and promised to do it better with nothing. His answer is Barney, a Rust-based tool for building Linux distros from source.
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We wanted a year of Linux desktop - there it is, an army of tech bros going through “baby’s first rice” arc in the most annoying way possible.
I don’t get why this is upvoted. Can we just forget that nightmare that Omarchy is? And ignore attempts to bring it back up? Yes 10 for million you can buy a lot of ads, so we’ll have to tolerate some noise for a while, but it shouldn’t last long.
Ikey is abandoning project faster than I change my underwear
Why even mention the nazi distro at all?
Omarchy has been put in my face already regardless of my not needing to hear about it, and given the echo magnification structure of our media system, that horse has left the barn. If I have to hear about it, I want the majority of times I hear about it to be echoing what a piece of shit it and its creator are.
It’s worth mentioning something in order to point out why it’s bad? It’s in the news right now and people are currently discussing it, and it’s not like someone is going to read this article and be more likely to go support it
This article is saying that Omarchy isn’t doing anything that novel or special, and that this developer is trying to create a tool that will allow anyone to do the same thing without millions of dollars of funding
Let’s talk about Barney in every Omarchy thead form now on.
Actually, mods, a bot is all we need.
I’m glad that I’m not the only one picked up on this. Just made my comment that it was needless to mention Omarchy.
Nazi vibe coded distro
Nazi vibe coded dot files.
The nazi bar problem I understand, but why is using open source provided by a nazi wrong?
It still supports the person and gives them a platform to share their ideas
One does not simply give them shitters mindshare. Tech is political, never believe otherwise.
Of course, that’s why I go open source, that’s what brought me here to Lemmy.
Maybe I am wrong to mix music into it, although you might be able to pick up the glove in that aspect too: Morrissey is a narcissistic/racist asshole, yet his music brings me joy. Am I a bad person for that? Should I stop listening to him? I’ve never really bought an album, and I don’t listen to interviews, but his music. Wouldn’t having a nazi OS be the same (mind you not this one, but something without the slop)? Using Temple OS would make me weird, sure, but would that mean I am platforming the mentally deranged?
There’s no ethical consumption under Capitalism. I get it, too. It could be easily said that this very Internet that’s connecting us has some Nazi fingerprint since the DARPA.
Your bootleged tracks won’t make a penny to Morrissey nor bring more awareness to him. However, with FOSS, we have a choice. Don’t hatch this serpent’s egg
I can see how propogating their product would intensify their reach, but the problem I am having is that I cannot differentiate a good app based on ideology.
Now that I come to think of it, I might not run into that problem. Maybe nazis cannot make wholesome code, because they are not wholesome themselves. That would make my point moot. Thank you for the gentle comment.
You want to stay in Capitalism and I have other ideas. You think there is merit in Technocratism, I think that’s just another facade, together with Liberalism, to Fascism. May we never have to clash about this in the future.
No need to throw punches, comrade.
If you feel you wanna toe my line, we can get into the merits and blind spots of positivism, but please try to see me arguing in good faith about something I either don’t understand or find questionable.
I don’t particularly care in the abstract but this particular piece of software is also technically awful vibecoded slop. And DHH isn’t a random nazi, but a nazi with a platform provided by the popularity of his slopware.
Would you trust to install an operating system, that was provided by actual Nazi Germany? Would you install or recommend ANY distribution you don’t trust to someone else?
I wouldn’t want to install anything unvetted. But doesn’t open source mean it’s fully transparent? So if the system had tracking and whatnot (which regimes usually like), I wouldn’t install it.
If it’s a good fit and there is no fallout for me downloading it (I’m not funding them, not giving them info), I think there is no moral problem with me downloading the software.
In this specific case I guess it’s moot, cuz it’s full of slop, but this is the same vein as pop culture consumption: do I hate myself for liking Michael Jackson’s and Morrissey’s music? Should I not pirate it, if it brings me joy? Am I a bad person for liking that music?
Being Open Source doesn’t solve the issue here. First, as you say yourself, you even do not trust a project that is Open Source because of Ai slop. And you cannot verify every line of code with every update on every application. Do you understand every security issue by just looking at it? Even if you would, which is impossible, do you build everything from source? No normal people does that (sorry Gentoo users, this sentence was just for you guys :D).
Omarchy is a good example of that we should not trust everything, just because it is Open Source. I personally would have moral problems AND fear of incompetence and intentional malware. The actual software, the operating system itself, would have been very nice if there were not these trust issues.
I would say its not the same as liking pop culture. That comparison doesn’t hold up, because listening to music does not execute stuff on your system, you do not depend on it, and there is no trust issue here involved. As for the moral problem of liking something, where the creator is a bad person, well that is something you can do in art. I personally can differentiate from media consumption and its creator, which is not possible with operating systems and software.
But if we start talking about media or even food, that is all a different thing and would just distract us from our original topic.
The reason I brought up the comparison is because I think it at least tangentially relates to ethical software usage as well.
I came to a similar conclusion from another comment: nazis are not wholesome people, so they cannot produce wholesome code (I guess music doesn’t need wholesomeness to hit deep). This is my practical stance on the matter. Nazis have not produced a good enough operating system for me to switch to it.
But going back to nitpick, I don’t have a blink of understanding about machine languages (or coding in general for that), but I do have trust in the community, and the community has freaks that speak machine language and can inform me about any hidden malware. But I guess by now I’m just advocating for the devil. Thanks for engaging, it did provide extra gradients in my view.
I also have to trust the community in order to trust the system. But no community can help you, if the maintainers doesn’t do their job well, after you got pawned. There are lot of Open Source projects and operating systems I do not trust.
And yes I also get what you were saying with the media comparison, I did not try to invalidate your personal opinion by claiming the comparison wasn’t valid. I understand you were trying to make a point by that. I just didn’t want to go too far away from the topic, as this happens too often. So my apologies for the tone it may had (not sure how to put this into words). Also thanks for staying productive in the discussions, with political stuff involved this gets heated up very quickly.
apologies for the tone it may had
Right back at ya. But for what it’s worth, I didn’t feel any animosity coming from you, and most of the answers have been pretty tame compared to the weight of the topic.
I do understand now why I shouldn’t trust my data to a bad-faith player. I know where my misunderstanding stems from and appreciate all the input I got from this community. Another big thanks for keeping things on track (re:music).
what happens when the next update is the one that puts spyware in it and hands it directly to big brother?
If it’s open source, I’d read about the nazi breaking his own code and switch systems.
I mean this is all just philosophy right now, cuz I’m super happy with my instance of Endeavour, and to my best knowledge there are no nazis involved. But that being said, I still don’t understand why I shouldn’t use a good product just because the producer’s values are askewed. I guess there is an argument to be made that it might affect their work, but if it doesn’t, what’s the harm?
Well he’s already broken it. 🤷
Still got those millions. Funny that
Yeah, but in that case what keeps me away is that an asshole broke their system.
As it stands, my argument is about bad people writing good code. That is definitely not the case here, so I am sorry if I robbed anyone’s time.
no, you’re making a salient argument. I don’t want to dump a book length (/s) idea I’ve had brewing in my head about this, so we can have a little chat. I’ll just throw the broadest strokes to you.
- What do you do with unethical scientific advances? Eg : Data on human limits on heat/cold/sleep deprivation obtained through torture? Can you use them in ethical projects after?
- How does a culture perpetuate? What are permanently completed projects? If an untrustworthy party is working on a project that for now seems fair, can you rely on it while its still being worked on and have faith that you can use that to go forward and build new things without getting stabbed in the back after?
- Curation. By choosing something curated by a “bad person TM” you are not giving opportunities of propagation to a project maintained and created by a “good person TM”.
Guys, just use nix, please it’s everything you say you want in a OS…
Go Guix or go home
In the context of Omarchy, the salient desire is to avoid affiliation with fascists. Which NixOS hasn’t exactly excelled at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NixOS#Community_controversy
(I say this as someone whose main laptop, desktop, and homelab are all NixOS.)
That links does nothing to call Nix fascist btw.
Since Nix have had some controversy (tldr), I’m just adding the Gnu Guix distro, as an (FOSS) alternative to Nix.
Both are ‘declarative’ systems that are build/configured from a configuration file - amongst other goodness.
But what I want is to distromog on nixcels!
I remember someone here saying just recently that they used pacstrap on a live nixos system to install arch over it without a usb, which seems like the ultimate way to distromog nixcels
pacstrap on nixos to run an ubuntu based podman container
Which has a windows based VM
Barney the distro builder tool sounds interesting. I mean I could just use Archlinux and build my distro this way. Not sure how Barney works, as the repositories need to be supported and then this becomes a distro, not a distro builder tool. I still have to read about this tool to understand. This actually has nothing to do with Omarchy and the popularity of the distro is used to market his own tool in the blog post.
