You assume humans don’t ever write sloppy code and Linux Torvalds has never before encountered someone wanting to merge in sloppy code before. If in decades he hasn’t gotten comfy with sloppy code written by humans, why would he suddenly be merging in sloppy code written by an AI? He’s never been worried about hurting the feelings of a human that’s writing sloppy, do you suppose he’s going to develop empathy for an LLM that’s writing sloppy code?
The people that go all in on vibe coding are people that aren’t very good programmers to begin with. They don’t really understand how to write code and then suddenly they can make things work quickly. Well sort of work. At least work about as well as they could with their limited skills.
People that are actually good at programming know what good code is. After decades of working with code and knowing what it’s supposed to be, you don’t suddenly become a vibe coder saying eh, it kind of works, good enough, ship it. Its the people that were never able to write high quality code to begin with that do that. It can do the job of a lazy programmer that has a low standard of quality. For a skilled developer, it can sometimes save on typing on some simple tasks, and a good developer knows when it did something wrong and be all Thanos and say “fine, I’ll do it myself”.
Do you completely fail at critical thinking? I’ll slow it down so you can understand:
Linus sees sloppy code written by a human
Linus sees sloppy code written by an AI
Why did #1 not corrupt him have decades, but #2 definitely will? There is no reason, sloppy code is sloppy code whether written by a human or written by an AI.
You’re equating shitty developers becoming vibe coders with a skilled software engineer using a tool. I think you just don’t know the difference between a junior developer and a senior software engineer. Maybe you just don’t have any experience in software development and are just reading articles on random websites.
yeah it’s not gonna lead to any problems lol. meanwhile reality is disagreeing. I get it, you’re a slopfan, so this pointless you’re not going to listen / try to understand, but for the rest of the audience, here’s some other views:
Yeah I get it, you’re someone who goes along with the narratives from articles that an algorithm selected for you. I guess you just got comfy with going along AI algorithms in your information consumption so you assume others will too.
Yep, and even more important are the cases where coding models are used outside of actually producing code. Unit tests, red teaming, bug hunting and so on are all areas where LLMs can reduce the load on an experienced coder, allowing him to concentrate on the meaty stuff. Blindly being against the technology itself because big tech currently consists of a bunch of asshats is not a mature stance.
Blindly being against the technology itself because big tech currently consists of a bunch of asshats is not a mature stance.
yeah it’s not gonna lead to any problems lol. meanwhile reality is disagreeing. I get it, you’re a slopfan, so this pointless you’re not going to listen / try to understand, but for the rest of the audience, here’s some other views:
I am not a “slopfan”. I do not use any of the techbros services, and never have outside of a few test runs in 2022 to see what it can do.
I only use local models running on my own hardware, and only to automate tasks that would take ages by hand (e.g. creating summaries about gameplay and features of my game collection from the game stores websites, helping me with RegEx or quickly creating one-shot python scripts for specific purposes - i am a terrible coder), or that make interacting with large technical documents easier (e.g. mainboard manuals). I have dabbled a bit with image generation, but it isn’t really interesting for me.
But denying that the technology can reduce workload on coders even when not generating code (e.g. unit tests, red teaming, reverse engineering) is immature. These tasks are also much less prone to cause AI psychosis, because i do not care about “chatting” with these models.
(e.g. creating summaries about gameplay and features of my game
a) that’s how it starts, you think you’re pure and it doesn’t count because it’s only cursor, or it’s only for prototyping, or whatever.
b) when it hallucinates garbage, as all LLMs do, even the local ones you run on your own power gobblin hardware, do you think it’ll put an asterix by the parts it wasn’t really sure about lol?
c) dear fucking god, why would you need someone (SOMETHING) else to summarize the gameplay and features of your own product? have you no pride in your work?
don’t reply, I don’t care, you’re going to get burned by it one day you just think you’re different.
I mistyped. Its a collection of games i have, not a game i write. I am not good enough of a coder to write a game. Which is what i meant to take responsibility for the quality of code you submit. I know that i could not guarantee that code i create - regardless of creation method - is up to spec even for something where you can get away with some substandard code.
Edit: Lol, you weren’t able to read my sentence coherently. I just read your reply and thought i had forgotten the “s” at the end of “games”.
“my game collection” isn’t “my game”. you should crusade against functional analphabetism instead of LLMs.
And to provide a glimpse of the scale of the task i use it for: I have a collection of approximately 36000 games (not counting the games in my steam / gog / itch /whatever accounts, because those already have descriptions). Writing short blurbs for this amount of games (grabbing metadata can be scripted) is not something i want to do by hand, because it would take me ages. My local model is doing this overnight, putting the information into markdown tables i then check in the morning for correctness. I run this workflow around once a month to update the tables with the new arrivals.
If AI makes Linus more (quantity) or more severely (quality) error-prone than without the AI, that, and only that is an argument against AI being a tech asset for Linus.
Just one bad Linux kernel commit slip up related to AI is not an argument.
That said, the macro impact of the AI data centers and AI on: electric power generation and grids, pollution (smelly exhaust, noise, CO2), fresh water demands, socioeconomic power imbalance exacerbation, surveillance capitalism, questionable military usages, rogue agentic AI doing hacks and crimes to fulfill oterwise legal/ethical objectives, AI chatbot relationship addiction, these are some of what I consider real and urgent problems with AI.
As an individual, his LLM carbon footprint and money used to purchase AI services aren’t going to matter at all. But him being one of the world’s highest profiled software engineers who’s openly using these tools is very good publicity for them.
I think the anti ai crowd has been focusing on the slop angle too much, the horrible malpractice of these companies is the real problem imo. If it really is only slop it will die out by itself.
I wonder how long before he gets comfy relying on it and something really shitty slips in.
Dude merges in code into the kernel originating from how many thousands of developers from around the world?
Read the LKML if you think he’s a guy that’s prone to getting comfy with merging in sub-par code.
oh he’s quick to put the brakes on other PR’s including slop code.
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/linux/linux-lays-down-the-law-on-ai-generated-code-yes-to-copilot-no-to-ai-slop-and-humans-take-the-fall-for-mistakes-after-months-of-fierce-debate-torvalds-and-maintainers-come-to-an-agreement
which makes me wonder how long until he’s comfy and forgets sometimes the slop comes from inside the building lol.
You assume humans don’t ever write sloppy code and Linux Torvalds has never before encountered someone wanting to merge in sloppy code before. If in decades he hasn’t gotten comfy with sloppy code written by humans, why would he suddenly be merging in sloppy code written by an AI? He’s never been worried about hurting the feelings of a human that’s writing sloppy, do you suppose he’s going to develop empathy for an LLM that’s writing sloppy code?
The people that go all in on vibe coding are people that aren’t very good programmers to begin with. They don’t really understand how to write code and then suddenly they can make things work quickly. Well sort of work. At least work about as well as they could with their limited skills.
People that are actually good at programming know what good code is. After decades of working with code and knowing what it’s supposed to be, you don’t suddenly become a vibe coder saying eh, it kind of works, good enough, ship it. Its the people that were never able to write high quality code to begin with that do that. It can do the job of a lazy programmer that has a low standard of quality. For a skilled developer, it can sometimes save on typing on some simple tasks, and a good developer knows when it did something wrong and be all Thanos and say “fine, I’ll do it myself”.
damn dude, did you completely fail reading and comprehension? because you’re replying to a link to me pointing that exact fuckin thing out.
maybe slow down and try harder.
like, it’s in the link title text, right there.
as long as they stay proficient. but prolonged exposure to AI slop tends to have a damaging effect - https://thenewstack.io/karpathy-says-developers-have-ai-psychosis-everyone-else-is-next/
so I stick with my premise: how long before it has an effect on him?
Do you completely fail at critical thinking? I’ll slow it down so you can understand:
Linus sees sloppy code written by a human
Linus sees sloppy code written by an AI
Why did #1 not corrupt him have decades, but #2 definitely will? There is no reason, sloppy code is sloppy code whether written by a human or written by an AI.
You’re equating shitty developers becoming vibe coders with a skilled software engineer using a tool. I think you just don’t know the difference between a junior developer and a senior software engineer. Maybe you just don’t have any experience in software development and are just reading articles on random websites.
just gonna end this pointless chat here:
Yeah I get it, you’re someone who goes along with the narratives from articles that an algorithm selected for you. I guess you just got comfy with going along AI algorithms in your information consumption so you assume others will too.
truth hurts bud? right in the fee fees?
I’m sure after exhausting all attempts at human companionship that your robot girlfriend will comfort you.
Yep, and even more important are the cases where coding models are used outside of actually producing code. Unit tests, red teaming, bug hunting and so on are all areas where LLMs can reduce the load on an experienced coder, allowing him to concentrate on the meaty stuff. Blindly being against the technology itself because big tech currently consists of a bunch of asshats is not a mature stance.
yeah it’s not gonna lead to any problems lol. meanwhile reality is disagreeing. I get it, you’re a slopfan, so this pointless you’re not going to listen / try to understand, but for the rest of the audience, here’s some other views:
https://thenewstack.io/karpathy-says-developers-have-ai-psychosis-everyone-else-is-next/
https://aiforautomation.io/news/2026-05-17-ai-psychosis-hacker-news-1979-developers-vote
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/urban-survival/202507/the-emerging-problem-of-ai-psychosis
https://therenegadecoder.com/blog/why-generative-ai-makes-the-future-of-software-development-worse/
https://www.slashgear.com/1970560/ai-coding-problems-security-risks/
https://andrewjcode.substack.com/p/ai-is-writing-terrible-code
https://letsdatascience.com/blog/developers-thought-ai-made-them-faster-the-data-said-otherwise
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/proof-ai-making-developers-worse-came-from-anthropic-itself-oatley-0kjje/
I am not a “slopfan”. I do not use any of the techbros services, and never have outside of a few test runs in 2022 to see what it can do.
I only use local models running on my own hardware, and only to automate tasks that would take ages by hand (e.g. creating summaries about gameplay and features of my game collection from the game stores websites, helping me with RegEx or quickly creating one-shot python scripts for specific purposes - i am a terrible coder), or that make interacting with large technical documents easier (e.g. mainboard manuals). I have dabbled a bit with image generation, but it isn’t really interesting for me.
But denying that the technology can reduce workload on coders even when not generating code (e.g. unit tests, red teaming, reverse engineering) is immature. These tasks are also much less prone to cause AI psychosis, because i do not care about “chatting” with these models.
a) that’s how it starts, you think you’re pure and it doesn’t count because it’s only cursor, or it’s only for prototyping, or whatever.
b) when it hallucinates garbage, as all LLMs do, even the local ones you run on your own power gobblin hardware, do you think it’ll put an asterix by the parts it wasn’t really sure about lol?
c) dear fucking god, why would you need someone (SOMETHING) else to summarize the gameplay and features of your own product? have you no pride in your work?
don’t reply, I don’t care, you’re going to get burned by it one day you just think you’re different.
I mistyped. Its a collection of games i have, not a game i write. I am not good enough of a coder to write a game. Which is what i meant to take responsibility for the quality of code you submit. I know that i could not guarantee that code i create - regardless of creation method - is up to spec even for something where you can get away with some substandard code.
Edit: Lol, you weren’t able to read my sentence coherently. I just read your reply and thought i had forgotten the “s” at the end of “games”.
“my game collection” isn’t “my game”. you should crusade against functional analphabetism instead of LLMs.
And to provide a glimpse of the scale of the task i use it for: I have a collection of approximately 36000 games (not counting the games in my steam / gog / itch /whatever accounts, because those already have descriptions). Writing short blurbs for this amount of games (grabbing metadata can be scripted) is not something i want to do by hand, because it would take me ages. My local model is doing this overnight, putting the information into markdown tables i then check in the morning for correctness. I run this workflow around once a month to update the tables with the new arrivals.
Is Linus error-free pre-AI?
If AI makes Linus more (quantity) or more severely (quality) error-prone than without the AI, that, and only that is an argument against AI being a tech asset for Linus.
Just one bad Linux kernel commit slip up related to AI is not an argument.
That said, the macro impact of the AI data centers and AI on: electric power generation and grids, pollution (smelly exhaust, noise, CO2), fresh water demands, socioeconomic power imbalance exacerbation, surveillance capitalism, questionable military usages, rogue agentic AI doing hacks and crimes to fulfill oterwise legal/ethical objectives, AI chatbot relationship addiction, these are some of what I consider real and urgent problems with AI.
As an individual, his LLM carbon footprint and money used to purchase AI services aren’t going to matter at all. But him being one of the world’s highest profiled software engineers who’s openly using these tools is very good publicity for them.
I think the anti ai crowd has been focusing on the slop angle too much, the horrible malpractice of these companies is the real problem imo. If it really is only slop it will die out by itself.
so many possible upsides it’s hard to pick which one will end the species.
fml