A lot of the replies to this, in rough grok analysis of epistemics at play, to be fair, remind me more of those who kept insisting blue LED were impossible, and their arguments remind me more of “we cannot have spaceships because the string doors won’t work in space” type arguments, more than they remind me of industry agents intentionally sowing seeds of ignorance squared. [~ Mild confidence. Generously [amidst some redherrings and moved goalposts etc.].]

… And fun to think of the contrast of those two examples. They’re [/you’re] almost certainly seeing this with blue LED, and blue LED was sought by industry, did not obsolete their industry, but enhanced the demand for their product, while augmenting the appeal and profit margins and all kinds of other features (~ radically different world where we did not yet get blue led… smart phones wouldn’t have happened, for a start). They’re [you’re] almost certainly not seeing this while sat in their [/your] own spaceship, nor even a water powered car… probably not even a car fuelled with hemp oil or ethanol (~ radically different world where we did not get any of those suppressed… far fewer incentive for resource wars, far greater self empowerment and a better educated and empowered populace, resulting in better democracy from that better informed public, with a better practical grasp of energy, utility, facility, society, health and more, on the road to becoming polymaths in the making (~ rather than single-purpose slaves in training)).

Certainly a part, a potential.

I wonder about coupling such with things like mycelia too, that can grow from radiant energy besides light, and can form symbiotic relationships with plants, and so, maybe (if this isn’t too simple-thinking), yeast with algae, there could likewise by biological catalysis, synergies, mutual boons, that even then produce other useful stuff too.

~ that also got me thinking of the various pond surface plants, and how prolifically efficient growers they are too. Not sure how to put that to use, besides, idk, a source of protein and b12 for vegans.

~ and, not quite sure why, but that moonpool reforestation method springs to mind too. I don’t know how yet, but put all these things (and more) together, and, … good results. ;)

I believe they crush technologies, but most of the things you mentioned aren’t true.

Beliefism and contradiction asserted.

There were no spaceships possible in the 1930s.

Foo fighters only showed up in the 1940s are you thinking? Or not even aware of those? Or the bell (“die glocke”)? Nor my earlier examples looked into? Just presuming? If so, how? By mistaking absence of evidence as evidence of absence?

Why crush that technology when they could have conquered the world with it?

LOL. Fun way to answer your own question.

It’s not possible to run cars on water.

Indeed. Any who attempt to, seem to die or disappear. … iirc, Stanley Meyers’ famous moment, running out of the restaurant from a meeting with some potential “investors”, shouting “THEY POISONED ME”, just before he died, seems to serve (intentionally or not) as a warning and disincentive to even try.

The thermodynamics just doesn’t make sense.

Have seen each of the methods of catalysis and can refute each? That’d be thoroughly educational|entertaining|enthralling to see.

[Just remembered before posting… didn’t one method use a combination of lasers and plasma… one of the cavitation methods… idk, been decades since looking into this stuff. Hazy tidbits of memories for the curious and studious to chase if they want. … (Perhaps futilely) hoping websearch not so censored as cannot find this stuff any more. ~ Had to dig 100s of pages deep into search results even back then.]

Even before learning more about the states of matter that water can get into (including recent stuff on it being two different liquid states simultaneously), the magnetic alignment method has fascinated me (~ in passing… I’ve run no tests ~ dear industry, pls leave me be. lol.). It would be great to share an exploration of the various ranges, of state conditionals; of energy levels, types, frequencies and wave shapes; of cavitation, aperture, geometry; of ortho water and para water, ratios thereof; of water isotopes; ratios thereof; of impurities, solutes, salinity, ionisation, pH; and so on. To really draw out the more complete matrix of water’s potential (~ at least in the mundane material utility sense). [/*dreamer*]

Anyways, the claims are out there. Mere nay-saying is an unsatisfactory replacement for refutation, especially amidst conflicts of interest and dogmatic world views that salaries depend upon. Closed minds are never wrong.

I hope the water thing is /s

Why do you want that to be sarcasm?

Wouldn’t you prefer that to be true??

You hope differently to me.

Water powered car’s been invented more than just that once with the famous Stanley Meyer story. Y’know those blow torch thingies, that use water? Yeah, same basic principle. And remember in that special episode of Top Gear (I think it was maybe the Myanmar episode), where Hammond put a little water in his engine (in with the fuel) to give it more go at altitude? Same principle as many of the "water powered car"s use, where instead of (afaiu) electromagnetic alignment catalyst, they use chemical catalysts (and other starters and combustants etc), to which some eager naysayers throw the baby out with the bathwater and proclaim it all bunk because those designs were not using pure water. … I’m not sure any use entirely pure water, do they? Didn’t even Stanley Meyers design involve some kind of other chemical in the mix too? I’m not looking into it any further than is popularly known. I don’t want to be mistaken for an inventor, attracting the attention of the ruthless unscrupulous sorts with a lot invested in their rentier ride. ;)

Amusing aside… can haz steam powered car too. ;) Too contrived to call that water powered? Hehe. Even a Stirling engine?

Heeh! :D I’ve just had effectively the exact same thing, except for advertising. “Mind control does not exist” they said, to the face of one saying they used to be one of those doing it!

I find it hard to be enthused for trains, trams, and busses any more, since discovering over 20 years ago that clean energy and many other technologies and man-made innovations have been suppressed to maintain out dependence on scarce polluting energy because it’s easier to put a meter on to extract rents by. … So much so… y’know we could have had spaceships each since the 1930s? T Townsend Brown was not the first nor the leading pinnacle. Even back to the mid 1800s, when they were rigging their hot air balloons with faraday cages and high freq e.m. fields to reduce, and even eliminate inertia [… 1 small vacuum-proofing hop, and you have rudimentary interstellar flight capabilities]… … we never needed rockets, we never needed planes. … we don’t really need buses either. Or cars.

But if we make a nice world, buses still could be very nice to have.

Semi-subway trains too.

And cars even too. Track day, anyone? :)

Whole lot of vertical space unused in this world [and beyond]. We have so much headroom without the crooks holding us down. Heck! Even the crooks, even with their billions and trillions, would be better off, if we availed, each and all, all the emancipatory technologies.

Y’know we could have had spaceships each since the 1930s, right?

Or even just running our cars on seed oils, like hempseed oil, or plant derived ethanol.

Or even just running our cars on water.

… If they’d stop killing inventors and stop abusing the patent system to secretize emancipatory technologies.

Embrace-extend-extinguish is when a large company adopts an existing open standard (encouraging users to use its software due to that compatibility) and then extends that standard with proprietary features, rendering software using the open standard incompatible and extinguishing their ability to compete with the larger platform.

Whoowee! That’s some dangerous dry dark comedy there, satirically showing embrace-extend-extinguish being done to the meaning of embrace-extend-extinguish. Dark heavy jokes for dark heavy times. Some people may miss this is a joke, and believe that agnogenic definition, and then go on to share that corporate corrupted/sanctified definition is as far as it goes, and proceed through life oblivious to the ground being stolen from beneath their feet, and everywhere else all around them, things just magically mysteriously disappearing [if even noticed at all], from all the broader application of embrace-extend-extinguish outside that myopic definition undergoing embrace-extend-extinguish. Enough not-even-wrong in the skew, the lie of omission’s easy to miss. Wwwwway more than just “open standards” get embraced. Everything, every movement, every idea, you have, that threatens their monopolistic interests, offers any competition, anything you love, you yourself, are ripe for that “embrace”. … Sleep well. ;D [Face the horror.]

[I had that paragraph left unfinished for a while, distracted, only seeing this tab again much later, while listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52eqkJM-Ll4 which oddly syncs up with this. He can put it better than I can. I’m clumsy with words (you may have noticed, lol). Not that Peter Turchin’s on about embrace-extend-extinguish, but the broader context in which that happens. … The placatium of the earlier half of the lost century, having been removed, and the 2 generation lag, the oscilation, the shared wealth fairness/injustice thing, and the implications. … We won’t stay fooled by the fruits of the embrace-extend-extinguish’ing. The results accumulate, the nail gets rustier, the dog eventually does more than just wail, and gets up off it. The lies, the tactics, no longer work. … E.g. no more “strong man to save us” scams from politicians work. … Novel solutions abound in the crisis pressure increased under the oppressions and iniquity pump of the kleptarchy. … Novel solutions like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RBNboYUlVI freenet, but something like that (even on/via/facilitated-by freenet) specific more for democracy and “economics” and “finance”… and so, even as these dire looming possibilities like skynet and all the rest of the dystopian venn diagram(s) so loom, we also are at a vast junction to “STOP FALLING FOR IT”, and we even sublimate out of the oscilation, out of bouncing back from catastrophic pressure buildings that threaten all life, so vast are our capabilities now, no longer able to continue that oscilation… so as we stare down the barrel of the first ever lasting totalitarian technarchy tyranny, in the hands of the oligarchs, kakistarchs, the attercoparchs, the kleptarchs, the malarchs, whatever flavour of archy one chooses to include in describing the paradigm, ~ even as we stare down the barrel of the first everlasting authoritarian total control, we have the potential to evoke the everlasting[?] robustness against centralising corruption. Like the freenet[.org] example shows. We can still mend this. … Or maybe it too is an embrace phase, moving in on the decentralised internet space, seeking to monopolise it, and then they’ll be the central dictum of the shape of it, free to re-eliminate whatever liberties they choose. In their demo tech, they already show a convenient recentralised web portal to the tech to try it out. XD. Eternal Vigilance… Beware what’s behind every offer of embrace, especially from strangers and corporations and strongman saviors.]]

Everything is intrinsically political. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruGBWLk9s8

Though some things are more political than others. ;) Free Software’s avowedly a piece of political philosophy. Open Source seems more like corporate(/monopoly/fascist) strategy. Namely, Embrace-Extend-Extinguish.

can haz emacs with spacecadet keybinds?

hyper super meta shift alt control, ahoy! :D

Reminds of:

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/korean-outfit-hosting-1-44mb-game-development-contest-to-honor-the-floppy-disk-entrants-must-confine-entire-fileset-including-resources-engine-and-library-to-miniscule-storage-format

Floppy may use FAT, but stays slim.

What distro is that?

HML is back btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKx5UZsX9jw

https://gitlab.com/DecaCagle/hannahmontanalinux26

Yup. To me, IRIX was the best, until I found GNU+Linux in late 2003 and becoming a windows refugee, not to IRIX, but to, not just GNU+Linux, but all freedom respecting operating systems and their distributions, and the potential of what they could become, as I and many others attempt to learn them, and help contribute to them. Many more itches to scratch yet. The best is yet to come, for each and all. :) Or so the philosophy inspires and aspires.

[PS… Oh I so would love a FOSS IRIX… a free software [“open source”] multi-arch IRIX revival though… beyond just NekoWare and whatever else is scattered around.]

[PPS, oh, and varies computer to computer too… I don’t use the same distro everywhere. Sometimes even several distros on the same computer. Quite right to point out the folly of the notion of there being a one-true-way “best”.]

kew.

kew to see kew.

i’d forgot about kew.

kew is kew.

Churn is [now] easy.

Maintenance is [still] hard.

It works well enough for now. Some things were surprisingly simpler than I expected them to be (e.g. gaming thanks to Heroic Launcher and Steam).

I was thinking more with regards to the multiple recent AUR malware attacks. I hope you’re staying safe, staying on top of the situation, not letting Arch bite you.

Note for the Linux-curious potentially reading this: I had sufficient experience with Linux Mint and Ubuntu as well as test runs of Arch before committing to it. DO NOT SWITCH DIRECTLY TO ARCH LINUX FROM WINDOWS. Try Mint first (or Bazzite, I hear that one is great for gaming but have yet to try it myself), and preferably using VirtualBox before committing to a switch.

Note for the linux-curious potentially reading this: You’re Linux curious, that means you have what it takes to try any distribution of Linux. Curiosity. YOU CAN SWITCH DIRECTLY TO ARCH LINUX FROM WINDOWS. It’s rare, but it does happen. Some now famous linux youtubers did just that. It will take a bit more reading to be able to get up and running, but you’ll be running all the more fast and sure-footed from the education the experience gave you.

;)

Oh heck, Arch isn’t even that hard and involved to install any more. Go for Gentoo. :) Come, windows refugees, all! Skip the Ubuntus, Mints, Suses, Fedoras, PopOSes, AntiXes, Zorins, elementaryOSes, LinuxLites, PCLinuxOSes, Soluses and whatever windows refugees flock to these days, and shoot for the moon! Heck, even try LFS! (Okay, don’t. I’ve gone too far now. LOL).

systemd.

I do not want any component imposed. Init-freedom.

(Artix, btw).

I was just thinking lets have the date expand infinitely.

For your curiosity,

There’s also decibellinux. (Formerly known as Gentoo Studio) [Edit: aw. https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/decibellinux.org?proto=https is currently down. … It’ll be back again.]

It’s not a full studio, just audio production focused (… so install GIMP, MyPaint, Blender, Inkscape, KDENLive, freecad, etc etc etc as needed).

Install as a stage4 gentoo install, following its instructions. It’s a little more fiddly and involved than Ubuntu Studio, offering all the gentoo advantages, like useflags, better availing more fine grain choice, and a little more opportunity to learn more about the system.

… As well as being great for [audio] creative tool discovery, and convenience of having [nearly] all the tools out of the box, just like Ubuntu Studio.