Let them cook we need more competition
Its only a matter of time untill a gaming pc made out of Chinese architecture components is legally considered by the US to be a weapon of mass destruction.
Not much needs more than a 4060
Can confirm. I’m still rocking a 1070 Ti on a 1440 monitor and it more than meets my needs, granted I’m playing somewhat older AAA games. Looks like a 4060 is even better.
Without depending on many externalities.
Give em a few years, and they’ll have more powerful, cheaper GPUs than anything US manufacturers can make.
Nvidia’s middle finger to China is the reason they’ve developed open weight models like Qwen 3.6 27B that have modest compute requirements with performance catching up to frontier models. They have plenty of motivation to give Nvidia the middle finger right back, and I fully anticipate that a couple years from now, we will see Chinese open models on par with frontier models while also having inexpensive Chinese hardware to run them.
As the article itself points out, drivers remain as the main issue for Chinese graphics cards. Though they seem to have made great improvements compared to 2 years ago. I’m quite excited to see how they work on it further in the next few years.
I’ve been gaming on an old AM4 motherboard, a B450 that was low spec when I bought it, it’s been over five years now. I’ve been running a 4070ti on it for three years and I’d love to upgrade it but I’m not excited about Nvidia right now and there isn’t a company on the planet that seems to want to offer me an alternative. At least China is flooding us with cheaper RAM.
Did you ever upgrade the CPU?
I am also still on AM4, started with a Ryzen 2700 (non-X) and then bought a 5800X later. I also upgraded from a RX 580 to RX 6800 four years ago. No real reason to change anything since. I’m really happy with the longevity.
Yeah I started with a 1700x then a 2700x then a 5800x. I also used to have an RTX 3060ti. My daughter is currently running the 2700x with the 3060ti. I try to upgrade periodically and pass my most recent hardware to my kids. I would upgrade again soon if prices were good but they are not good.
I moved to a 9070XT from a 3070 and love it. I am a Linux gamer convert after falling in love with Steam OS. Nvidia on Linux is too much of a hassle imo. Plus my 9070XT on Linux smokes my 3070 on windows.
For a Linux user AMD is definitely better but it’s morally no different than NVIDIA. Lisa Su is all-in on AI and the Trump admin. Which is what I’m assuming they meant by saying nobody wants to sell them a new GPU.
Not a fan of amd gpus?
Morally no different than NVIDIA. Lisa Su is all-in on AI and the Trump admin.
What? A baby GPU didn’t do as well as an experienced professional with decades of experience?? I am in shock -_-
I’m surprised they can’t just smuggle the chip designs and factory designs from Taiwan, they’re so close
Not sure it’s required. Patent documents are public.
Didn‘t expect anything less (or more) to be honest. Not at the moment. 5 years from now, though? It‘s entirely possible most new PC hardware will be made by Chinese brands that we have never heard of.
At least someone tries to compete. I’d get a slower Chinese any day over the fucking greedy nvidias. Spent 2500 for my last GPU. In 1990 I bought 2 high end computers for that. And some groceries. And go to the movies…
I’m so fed with all this. China will be the long-term winner in nearly everything.
$2,500 in 1990 is worth $6,369.93 today
Considering a PC in the 90s was not the total mainstream-thing it is today, Also i pulled that outta my ass, Don’t actually remember that old prices. BUT my first 3DFX, top of the line was like 500€. “Incredibly expensive” back then. Today you’d get some shitty entry-model for kids for 500€.
That’s not entirely true. You can’t squirrel away 1990’s $2500 and have it worth $6300 today. The more accurate statement would be that because of inflation (and also greedflation), what you once purchased with $2500, now takes $6300. This decrease in purchasing power, most recently, was brought almost entirely by price collusion, corporate greed, and a lack of regulation enforcement.
However, if you’d invested 2500 in 1990, it would be worth more than 6300.
Just as long as you didn’t have an emergency or retire in 2008 or the 10 years it took to recover
Highest month end price in 1990 vs lowest in 2009 is still 2x growth for s&p 500, which is less than 6300, but not as bad as one might think the crash was. From then on if you wait 3 years you pretty much double it again.
Of course the rich people who could afford to invest in 2009 have now 10x’d their investment. Most of us can’t really do that (invest during a downturn) unfortunately.
in an s&p500 index fund, a hell of a lot more.
nasdaq100… just wait a couple of months
They will improve and quickly.
Now that intel is likely out of the race, they are out last hope
it takes time to develop a tech like that.
as an example, China decided to invest in animation after Kung Fu Panda. slow process with a lot of internal movies, and a couple years ago they released the most successful animated movie in history.
Let them cook
For anyone else interested I’ve read it’s called Ne Zha 2, $2+ billion gross
Beat Zootopia 2
Is Intel rumored to drop it’s GPU line? Haven’t really kept up to date lately.
Intel Arc has been out for a while and while it technically competes it’s not good enough or stable enough to handle the high end.
Intel isn’t out of the race. The Chinese gpu have mostly issue related to driver as intel had when they started and intel had igpu so it s gonna be hard for chineese one to catch back but they will
Nvidia have invested heavily in them and the writing is on the wall. We will see what happens.
Force to invest in them
They will have a soc with intel cpu + nvidia igpu Gonna be interesting and nvidia also planing to develop new arm soc so… The future has never been as much uncertain but it could be ending up being for the consumer Will see
And “flops” is the headline?? That they got this level of performance so quickly should have been. Wait a couple of years and let’s see where are they at then. Holy cow that’s really fast progress, i can see them beating Intel gpus pretty soon
Yes but they gotta get the people hating them early before they take off in a couple years or else who the hell would still buy Intel after whatever they push out in a few years that’s probably gonna be orders of magnitude cheaper.
I suspect they will make them illegal eventually like the electric vehicles China makes.
I agree Tom’s Hardware is unnecessarily derisive but I also think the performance curve bending to the current date is an exponential difficulty curve. China still has no replacement and no plausible path to a replacement for the most modern EUV nodes that require ASML lithography machines.
They can very very quickly leapfrog older generations of GPU hardware by going straight to the peak of their home-grown lithography processes, that’s not surprising. But getting performance to keep following the curve to the last 2-3 years is a sheer cliff, not a ramp. It took ASML decades to do it and nobody worldwide has replicated it, because it’s just that hard, even as China tries to acquire export-controlled prior-gen machines on the gray market.
Maybe I’ll be wrong, but don’t be surprised if we see no improvement or minor optimizations for years.
My understanding is that Chinese companies have been able to replicate EUV lithography by either using particle accelerators or layering DUV. But the former requires a lot of electricity, and the latter has poor quality and reliability. But with falling electricity prices and fusion reactors around the corner, who knows?
If they got their hands on a machine would they be able to replicate it? If it was such a massive advantage I imagine they would just take one by force, I mean look at how the US just took out two national leaders
This is why China wants Taiwan. It’s a serious enough concern that ASML installs kill switches in the machines they sell to TSMC
It’s unlikely. It’s not just the machine but decades of proprietary knowledge that is not easily exfiltrated out of ASML. The machines they are trying to rebuild from spare parts from the grey market are not even the latest gen. There’s so few of them and they’re only held by companies that can afford to pay the $400 million for a single machine, so it’s not like they’re just falling onto the market without a clear chain of ownership and responsibility.
That’s something I don’t understand.
I mean there is endless capitalism out there - what prevents China from just buying a company that has one? Like if you out up one Trillion dollars on Trumps desk tomorrow they could basically choose which company they want.
I mean, you’re not wrong that this moment is probably China’s best opportunity, since the US administration is corrupt and incompetent. Normally the threat of US and allies’ punishment for violating export controls counts for something. But we’re historically distracted right now and I’m sure China is trying to take advantage.
Good progress nonetheless. Can’t wait for China to flood the fuck out of the nVidia/AMD/Intel GPU oligopoly. It may take a decade but it will happen for sure.
We could all use some supply and competition.
But the real bottleneck is TSMC… china could design a breakthrough gaming gpu tomorrow that gives you 8k at 240fps, and guess what? It wont be built any time soon because TSM is too busy building AI stuff for nvidia
China has been investing in its own semiconductor manufacturing for decades. They are behind, but I wouldn’t bet on them staying behind forever.
The tech media is showing who their sponsors are with this shit. “Oh the new guy isn’t number one right away? Better give up!” Fuck right off.
You know what? I’m going out and buying another Intel GPU out of spite.
Toms has always been clickbait. They just copy and sensationalize other headlines they find, and they’ve frequently bent the knee for Nvidia. Other outlets used to make fun of them all the time.
It’s sad they “survived” the enshittification of the internet and people keep sharing their clickbait :(
That being said, there’s some truth here.
